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Russell Martin has Ross Stewart as his main target **Transfer confirmed **

Super Ted said:
Not sure how it's obvious considering he's f***ing injured.
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And he is in the last year of his contract as a PROFESSIONAL footballer

He will be looking for the best contractual terms for next season either here or at another club

Given Southampton have not only their parachute money, have raised £150m(?) in transfer fees this window, still obviously have a stronger squad, and would weaken a promotion rival by buying LND it would not be a big surprise would it

Question is how much would we hold out for and who could replace LND?
 

Disco_Pants93 said:
Incredible how many people have takes like that mind. They never accept a player leaving, expect us to outspend everyone, no club is bigger than us, 40,000 fans at home etc etc. They go on about others being in denial about the situation without seeing the reality themselves. We absolutely cannot compete with Southampton financially at this moment in time. If Ross thinks he's worth more and Southampton are willing to pay it then he'll go. You can guarantee if he signed a new 5 year deal tomorrow and his achilles went again everyone would be out in force asking why the owners committed to such a big deal for a total unknown regarding Stewart's injury. It's a total lose lose for the owners at the moment.
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I can’t wrap me head round it either. It’s shite and people don’t have to like it but it’s reality. We aren’t going to break our limits, breach FFP and the owner won’t invest anything other than covering our losses at this moment. It’s just mind blowing that other people think he should just throw mountains of cash at us and it’ll all work out. It didn’t work out under short so why’s it going to work now.

Im surprised anyone’s touching him after 2 big injuries, for Southampton it’s low risk with their cash like but if he has one more big on this year he’s damaged goods. Also if he doesn’t he scores 30 goals comfortably like. I can see why we won’t risk the big wage over a long period. He’s 27, this is him at his peak. They will fully believe they can get younger with a higher potential ceiling.

it’s right insight in to some peoples mental health on here, not in a good way.
 
MurtonMark said:
Sounds like the opening monologue Frankie will do on Speakmans next podcast.

It’s incredible how far the apologists will go now, to prop up their chosen narrative that we’ve suddenly reinvented the way football works, in the face of reality. It’s getting a bit sad.
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So you've argued absolutely none of my points. If you think it's sensible to break the wage structure for a player who still hasn't recovered from a career threatening injury then I don't know what to say. Southampton could take the gamble tomorrow and financially write it off very quickly, we however can't. If you also think we should just be able to spend what we want when we want then you're also naive about the current finances. We have sold nobody of any value since the new owners came in, that simply can't be sustained. FFP means the books have to balance whether you, me or anyone else likes it. Ross has been offered a very good deal within our wage structure and he is being told he's worth more and can get it elsewhere, good for him if he does go and get it. Giving people exactly what they want without thought or consideration for consequence is exactly how the club was very very close to folding in the early league 1 years.
 
If he isn't going to sign a contract then selling him now to club with lots of money makes sense. He won't be properly fit for 4-6 weeks and even then you'd be worried about further injuries.
 
Scotlands number 9 said:
I can’t wrap me head round it either. It’s shite and people don’t have to like it but it’s reality. We aren’t going to break our limits, breach FFP and the owner won’t invest anything other than covering our losses at this moment. It’s just mind blowing that other people think he should just throw mountains of cash at us and it’ll all work out. It didn’t work out under short so why’s it going to work now.

Im surprised anyone’s touching him after 2 big injuries, for Southampton it’s low risk with their cash like but if he has one more big on this year he’s damaged goods. Also if he doesn’t he scores 30 goals comfortably like. I can see why we won’t risk the big wage over a long period. He’s 27, this is him at his peak. They will fully believe they can get younger with a higher potential ceiling.

it’s right insight in to some peoples mental health on here, not in a good way.
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Absolutely spot on mate.
 
MurtonMark said:
Poor little Sunderland. How can we be expected to compete for our own players, after all?

We’re so lucky that we have KLD and Speakman here to save us from certain overnight insolvency.

What an utter shambles.and hilarious to see the contortions of the apologists with this one, as they try to avoid the reality of our situation.
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What if Stewart doesn't want to stay?

You have absolutely no idea if he is even happy here. We cannot force any player to sign at gunpoint FFS.

As fans we all love the club and think it's one of the best around, but the reality is 99% of professional footballers have zero affiliation to us and couldn't give a shiney shite how big we are.

If Southampton are interested, he is extremely likely going to be a PL player in less than 12 months. Any person with any sense of realism would see that his chances of playing PL football are far better with them than us at the present time.
 
He isn't going to sign a new contract now, too much water under the bridge and neither party will back down.

Problem is we would only get a couple of million for him now, struggle to even cover the Ukrainian lads fee.
 
We need to be playing hard ball here.

Couple of days left in the window so price goes up as far as I’m concerned regardless of Stewart’s fitness.

We also need to say nothing happens until we get two strikers in (we need one anyway without Stewart moving on)

I’d prefer him to stay as our outlay on him was negligible, he is pretty important to how we play and of course we are struggling to get strikers in anyway but if he goes it needs to be on our terms.

Massive few days for those in charge, get it right and we have the chance to at least emulate last year, get it wrong and it could be a tough season.
 
Chucky Puddin said:
Apparently loan deals aren’t our model according to Mowbray last week 🤷🏻‍♂️ buy and develop them he said!
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Our model is to keep the costs down. Nothing more, nothing less.

That’s why there aren’t enough staff in the ticket office.

That’s why the club shop generally either isn’t open, or doesn’t have the requisite stock.

That’s why we sign untested kids and parade them as “first team” players, where other clubs sign the same players for their u21s.

That’s why we have no competent senior centre forwards - it’s not a coincidence that the position which costs the most to fill, is the one that’s chronically unfilled.

That’s why the supporters in the North Stand can just take their chances in the lottery of where the missiles land. Making them safe would involve installation of netting or moving the away fans - both of those options cost money.

People seriously need to wake the fuck up.
 
If/when he goes, I reckon we'll never find out what we get for him.

If it's enough to buy Cannon then that's a result really (given RS injury status) and fits the model.

If, as I suspect, we' get far less than Everton want for Cannon and we then get a stop-gap loan signing on Friday - then that's a total failure of the club, the scouting system and the model.

Roscoe is arguably the top striker in the division and if we end the window with him gone, no replacement and peanuts in the bank then KS needs shooting with sh*t
 
If we had let’s say someone like Cannon lined up on a perm deal and long term contract, and could use this money to cover it all I’d do it to be fair, as I don’t think RS is signing
 
MurtonMark said:
Our model is to keep the costs down. Nothing more, nothing less.

That’s why there aren’t enough staff in the ticket office.

That’s why the club shop generally either isn’t open, or doesn’t have the requisite stock.

That’s why we sign untested kids and parade them as “first team” players, where other clubs sign the same players for their u21s.

That’s why we have no competent senior centre forwards - it’s not a coincidence that the position which costs the most to fill, is the one that’s chronically unfilled.

That’s why the supporters in the North Stand can just take their chances in the lottery of where the missiles land. Making them safe would involve installation of netting or moving the away fans - both of those options cost money.

People seriously need to wake the fuck up.
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Isn't every business' model to keep costs down as much as they can? Infact, isnt that everyone's mindset in everyday life?
 
I think people realise that if Stewart is determined to be away we’d be better off cashing in now rather than risk losing him for peanuts in January.

The key thing is if he goes we need two strikers before 11pm on Friday not just Rusyn.

I presume the Lihadji fee is covering the outlay for Rusyn so whatever we get for Stewart needs to be reinstated in a replacement.

No excuses in terms of we ran out of time, the market is tough etc etc
 
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