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Mackem00 said:
It's an interesting point but I'm still amused/bemused that we are happy to abandon it after almost one year. Maybe we aren't mind and this Roy Keane is a lot more pragmatic than the last one. 🤷
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Why can’t keane be part of the long term plan he’s 50 yrs old or something you could say he’s been serving his time doing the coaching and that
 

Brian Griffin said:
Yes we should.

Our strategy for 4 years hasn't worked.

Time to be a football driven organisation again.

Experienced, highly experienced top level people need to come in.
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You are right. With 17 games to go to secure an automatic spot OR produce a team that's odds on to win a play off final (it's not a lottery if your team is head and shoulders above the rest) we need people with experience. If we don't win promotion this season the squad will be dispersed and then we are back to square one in League One.

What was the point of parting company with Johnson at this stage of the season if we weren't going to bring in experienced people who can his the ground in League One running? Johnson would have probably got us to the play offs but only with the usual slim chance of winning & more than likely going out in the qualifiers. A new manager from a similar background would have a cold start with the team and woud need time to settle in. Time for them would be too short & they would proabably be very hard pressed to get us to the play offs.

Once Johnson was gone it was on the cards that the strategy for the last 4 years was gone too - well at least for the remainder of this season there nothing that says you can never go back to it .
 
Binxy said:
The point is dozens upon dozens of managers have promotion on their c.v.
Doesn't stop them from being shit.
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Off the top of my head, I can only think of 4 managers in the English game with complete success.
Pep, Fergie, Busby and Shankly.

He has got to be worth another shot if only for what he achieved last time
 
Mackem00 said:
It's an interesting point but I'm still amused/bemused that we are happy to abandon it after almost one year. Maybe we aren't mind and this Roy Keane is a lot more pragmatic than the last one. 🤷
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Personally, I don't see it that we are abandoning it. I think the club's making steps to try and save it. They want to be in the Championship, and Johnson wasn't getting us there.

I think given the time again, KLD would have made this move last summer.
 
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Some people just click at certain clubs and fail at others.
look at that Nathan Jones, doing great at Luton for the second time but didn’t he fail somewhere else In between? I am sure there has been others who have done similar.
maybe RK is just right for us
 
Mackem00 said:
It's an interesting point but I'm still amused/bemused that we are happy to abandon it after almost one year. Maybe we aren't mind and this Roy Keane is a lot more pragmatic than the last one. 🤷
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I don't think there is any chance of abandoning it and nor should it. If Keane takes it and wants the job long term then he'll have to work with it.

Short term - Keane has what he has to work with. If he can organise the players and get us up then great. If he can't then we go again in the Summer with either Keane (working with the system) or a new manager.
 
Here's how the next 18 month goes !!!

Keane comes back, secures promotion to the championship, Henderson decides he's had his time at Liverpool and wants to come back and help drive the club back to the premiership, next season Henderson assists loads, Defoe scores 20 goals and then retires after achieving a final promotion and Roy Keane actually accepts the success of back to back promotions and leads an open top bus tour of Sunderland !
 
Mackem00 said:
It's an interesting point but I'm still amused/bemused that we are happy to abandon it after almost one year. Maybe we aren't mind and this Roy Keane is a lot more pragmatic than the last one. 🤷
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You're assuming he's not happy to be part of it? He's young enough to be long term and he's spoke of being in favour of a DoF
 
Lord Potts said:
You are right. With 17 games to go to secure an automatic spot OR produce a team that's odds on to win a play off final (it's not a lottery if your team is head and shoulders above the rest) we need people with experience. If we don't win promotion this season the squad will be dispersed and then we are back to square one in League One.

What was the point of parting company with Johnson at this stage of the season if we weren't going to bring in experienced people who can his the ground in League One running? Johnson would have probably got us to the play offs but only with the usual slim chance of winning & more than likely going out in the qualifiers. A new manager from a similar background would have a cold start with the team and woud need time to settle in. Time for them would be too short & they would proabably be very hard pressed to get us to the play offs.

Once Johnson was gone it was on the cards that the strategy for the last 4 years was gone too - well at least for the remainder of this season there nothing that says you can never go back to it .
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Spot on in my opinion.
The timing of Johnson's dismissal has lit a fuse here.
 
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