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Roy Keane a pariah?

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A chap posted on here the other day a really good link regarding our expenditure since our return to the promised land.
Really didn't make pretty reading for the Roy Keane fans mind. Over 60m spent in two seasons with very little coming back in.
Is this perhaps the reason we find ourselves in the position we do in regards to the apparent prudence being shown in the market?
I appreciate the job he done in getting us up when on our knees but his devil may care attitude towards the club I believe cost us our one big chance to actually make some decent strides in the top flight.
That level of financing is unprecedented at our club. Fat brucey seems to cop the majority of flak and he isn't blameless but I think Keane gets a free ride from our fans and his reign needs to be scrutinised further I believe.
 

Top Of The Goths said:
We had no other choice at the time

We'd come back up after a very humiliating time and players were reluctant to join us.

I'll always love the radged bastard for the faith he restored in me toward the club
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See I don't buy into this whole needing to convince players to join mind. Comes down to finance at end of day (see bent and Gyan) to tempt a player not club status. Out of all that money spent the only one we got any sort of return on was Kenwyne. That's a desperately poor return mind.

the streaker said:
Old hat now...he did well but had resources hoyed at him...

Time to move on..
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Perhaps it's a financial era the club are still struggling to move on from
though.
 
Top Of The Goths said:
We had no other choice at the time

We'd come back up after a very humiliating time and players were reluctant to join us.

I'll always love the radged bastard for the faith he restored in me toward the club
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This, we had no scouting network and Keane had no knowledge of players outside of Ireland, Celtic and Man Utd. He spent because he could spend and the Drumaville lot wouldn't dare say no. Every manager wants three players for each position "just in case". It's up to the chairman to say no
 
Mrjardine said:
See I don't buy into this whole needing to convince players to join mind. Comes down to finance at end of day (see bent and Gyan) to tempt a player not club status. Out of all that money spent the only one we got any sort of return on was Kenwyne. That's a desperately poor return mind.


Perhaps it's a financial era the club are still struggling to move on from
though.
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And how unfortunate were we to lose Gordon, who made up a sizeable chunk of Keanes spend
 
Mrjardine said:
See I don't buy into this whole needing to convince players to join mind. Comes down to finance at end of day (see bent and Gyan) to tempt a player not club status. Out of all that money spent the only one we got any sort of return on was Kenwyne. That's a desperately poor return mind.


Perhaps it's a financial era the club are still struggling to move on from
though.
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By the time we bought Bent and Gyan we had a status to speak of. When we came up we wee bookies favourites to go back down and were throwing money at people - Chopra said as much
 
Mrjardine said:
See I don't buy into this whole needing to convince players to join mind. Comes down to finance at end of day (see bent and Gyan) to tempt a player not club status. Out of all that money spent the only one we got any sort of return on was Kenwyne. That's a desperately poor return mind.


Perhaps it's a financial era the club are still struggling to move on from
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No because its probably broken even now and we have an owner who doesnt seem as though he wants out.

Its the top end of the league whose finances are silly now..
 
TopCat said:
By the time we bought Bent and Gyan we had a status to speak of. When we came up we wee bookies favourites to go back down and were throwing money at people - Chopra said as much
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I was using Bent and Gyan as examples of status being irrelevant when it comes to making a move. I think villa were below us when he left for them and as for Gyans new club??
Don't get too caught up in the whole club status stuff as it's money that will always ultimately talk.
 
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He may have bought shit but one way of looking at is keeping us up regardless was some feat.

I do subscribe to the players not wanting to come to us at the time. He built a level to buy better players, which Bruce did but failed to get much better results.
 
Mrjardine said:
But it's ok for Bruce's cheques to be scrutinised?
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I'm not interested to be honest. Neither manager has financial control, that's down to others. If you want to turn this into a Keane v Bruce argument though, Roy Keane done infinitely more for SAFC than Steve Bruce ever did*

*Disclaimer* I couldn't give a shiny shite that Steve Bruce is a Corbridge 'Geordie' and quite liked him for a period of time.
 
Mrjardine said:
See I don't buy into this whole needing to convince players to join mind. Comes down to finance at end of day (see bent and Gyan) to tempt a player not club status. Out of all that money spent the only one we got any sort of return on was Kenwyne. That's a desperately poor return mind.


Perhaps it's a financial era the club are still struggling to move on from
though.
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When Bent or Gyan signed we were already established in the Prem. It's hard to sign good players as a newly promoted club and we were close to sign a few good players: Baines, Kaboul, I think we bid for Evans also.
On the other hand, it's clear that Keane was out of his depth, havind a bad temper, too inexperienced, working without a scouting network etc.
 
DufraisFTM said:
I'm not interested to be honest. Neither manager has financial control, that's down to others. If you want to turn this into a Keane v Bruce argument though, Roy Keane done infinitely more for SAFC than Steve Bruce ever did*

*Disclaimer* I couldn't give a shiny shite that Steve Bruce is a Corbridge 'Geordie' and quite liked him for a period of time.
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A manager will have an idea of budget though and will know the impact on that budget the signing of a 9m or 8m or 5m pound player will have on future targets. To say he just says but him him and him is ridiculous. Keane has a lot to answer for in my opinion.
 
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