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Rory Burns

Voice of fair play said:
Buttler averages a lot more at 6 than he does at 7, don’t think it’s because he is particular suited at 6 rather than 7 think it’s just pure coincidence.

It is difficult to argue with Root stats as you have illustrated, but it could be similar.

A lot of Root stats and scores at 4 have been early in a innings when a number 3 would normally come in.

Root is brilliant the form he was in this summer and the way he was batting he would have scored a lot of runs wherever he batted imo.

But like I say 15 is a big difference and see your point.

I think for Malan Aussie wickets suit him better, and for him in particular that is a bigger factor.
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No I am on about Root, its not coincidence at all

it has a massive difference and the results over a large period of time show this

I dunno how anyone can still deny this
 

JackL said:
Ok, but it makes no difference if the openers can't see off the new ball anyway. He may as well be batting at 3 until they can replace burns and hameed gets more experience
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We have had this argument before but with Malan doing well at 3 and Root being outstanding at 4 if there was ever an argument for Root batting 3 it’s not now.
 
rentaghost said:
We have had this argument before but with Malan doing well at 3 and Root being outstanding at 4 if there was ever an argument for Root batting 3 it’s not now.
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They tried it, and it didnt work, he was much worse

I know people have diff opinions, but its amazing how many times we need to go through this point, we have tried it, and the evidence shows he is quite considerably better at number 4

he has just scored the most runs ever by an englishman in a year and yet people think we shou;d move him, crackers!
 
The amount of runs Joe Root has scored this year, batting number 4, for me anyway means he should be batting number 4 because without him we’d be even worse. If possible
 
The Rat said:
They tried it, and it didnt work, he was much worse

I know people have diff opinions, but its amazing how many times we need to go through this point, we have tried it, and the evidence shows he is quite considerably better at number 4

he has just scored the most runs ever by an englishman in a year and yet people think we shou;d move him, crackers!
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Because you keep repeating the same arguments while ignoring the counter arguments.

Everyone scores more runs batting further down the order. Root averages even higher at five.
 
Jack Torrance said:
They can’t play the same openers. At the very least they may need to rotate the order, Malan potentially opens with Hameed at 3.
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Rightly or wrongly they won’t change imo. As far as Burns is concerned they will consider that being out in the middle scoring 30 odd and batting for 100 balls in the heat of battle is better preparation than the alternative which is picking someone who has had net cricket only and were in dreadful form prior to that. They won’t drop Hameed being the young player they have invested in despite his low hands method not being suitable for bouncy tracks and they will want to keave Malan where he is. While the Ashes are still on the line they won’t change much because of the lack of preparation for those that haven’t played. I predict Pope being the only batsman to be dropped.
 
rentaghost said:
Rightly or wrongly they won’t change imo. As far as Burns is concerned they will consider that being out in the middle scoring 30 odd and batting for 100 balls in the heat of battle is better preparation than the alternative which is picking someone who has had net cricket only and were in dreadful form prior to that. They won’t drop Hameed being the young player they have invested in despite his low hands method not being suitable for bouncy tracks and they will want to keave Malan where he is. While the Ashes are still on the line they won’t change much because of the lack of preparation for those that haven’t played. I predict Pope being the only batsman to be dropped.
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Whats the point like, he isnt good enough and has no future in the test team.

You talk like the alternative can be worse, how can it be worse than what he has done in the 2 games so far?

there is literally no risk.
chunkylover53 said:
Lees came how this week I think
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Big fan of Lees, not convinced he is more than a good county player though

I guess next year they will have to try someone though.

This is the issue I guess, not one player in county cricket we can say "he has to be in the team"

Its why I really think they need to think outside the box

Will never change when all our best young talents end up on the T20 circuit though
 
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The Rat said:
Whats the point like, he isnt good enough and has no future in the test team.

You talk like the alternative can be worse, how can it be worse than what he has done in the 2 games so far?

there is literally no risk.


Big fan of Lees, not convinced he is more than a good county player though

I guess next year they will have to try someone though.

This is the issue I guess, not one player in county cricket we can say "he has to be in the team"

Its why I really think they need to think outside the box

Will never change when all our best young talents end up on the T20 circuit though
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Personally I have have no faith in Burns no faith in Hameed and no faith in any other potential openers.

None of of them at all you could say we would be even a tiny bit confident would score runs in the next test.

So why obsess with Burns as if it’s obvious he is worse than the rest.

He isn’t!

I would probably drop him, however there is just as good argument to drop Hameed and just as good argument replacements wouldn’t score runs either.

So get your argument for him to be dropped as like you say any replacements can’t do much worse.

But please stop making out as if it is the most obvious thing in the world to drop him as it simply isn’t taking into account other options.

If you actually took on other peoples points you would see that!
 
The Rat said:
Whats the point like, he isnt good enough and has no future in the test team.

You talk like the alternative can be worse, how can it be worse than what he has done in the 2 games so far?

there is literally no risk.


Big fan of Lees, not convinced he is more than a good county player though

I guess next year they will have to try someone though.

This is the issue I guess, not one player in county cricket we can say "he has to be in the team"

Its why I really think they need to think outside the box

Will never change when all our best young talents end up on the T20 circuit though
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With Burns I think the logic of Sir Alistair Cook, Matt Prior and myself are that going into the next game, with the Ashes still technically to play for that Burns on the back of 34 in 100 balls, time at the crease, a hundred opening against Australia and an average in the 30s against them is a better bet to get runs than someone with no form behind them and only net practice in months. In their opinion that is the risk. However the selectors might take your view and cut him now but under the circumstances I would give him a final opportunity to go to Melbourne and save his career.
 
rentaghost said:
With Burns I think the logic of Sir Alistair Cook, Matt Prior and myself are that going into the next game, with the Ashes still technically to play for that Burns on the back of 34 in 100 balls, time at the crease, a hundred opening against Australia and an average in the 30s against them is a better bet to get runs than someone with no form behind them and only net practice in months. In their opinion that is the risk. However the selectors might take your view and cut him now but under the circumstances I would give him a final opportunity to go to Melbourne and save his career.
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fair enough, I dont see how breaking a pair with an opening partnership of 23 is a risk like.

Burns is 31, has played 31 tests, time to move on.

I just think its a risk if they dont make changes to the team, if we go down the same road, we will get beat, we aren't even competing never mind threatening to even draw.

Thats the big point for me, we need 4 or 5 changes to the team, I dont think the solutions are miles better but they might be a fraction like.

I'd just like an opener who could potentially put balls away for 4 off the back foot too, far too timid this partnership

Plenty of pundits have made the argument you have, I just dont get it though. I accept if they had score at least some runs and the games were marginally closer, but its been as bad as anything I have witnessed by England, so I think that logic falls down.

Pope really has to go mind, I dont think that argument fits with him, he is so frenetic there is just no realistic chance of him scoring runs, I almost think it dosnt matter who they replace him with.
 
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The Rat said:
fair enough, I dont see how breaking a pair with an opening partnership of 23 is a risk like.

Burns is 31, has played 31 tests, time to move on.

I just think its a risk if they dont make changes to the team, if we go down the same road, we will get beat, we aren't even competing never mind threatening to even draw.

Thats the big point for me, we need 4 or 5 changes to the team, I dont think the solutions are miles better but they might be a fraction like.

I'd just like an opener who could potentially put balls away for 4 off the back foot too, far too timid this partnership

Plenty of pundits have made the argument you have, I just dont get it though. I accept if they had score at least some runs and the games were marginally closer, but its been as bad as anything I have witnessed by England, so I think that logic falls down.

Pope really has to go mind, I dont think that argument fits with him, he is so frenetic there is just no realistic chance of him scoring runs, I almost think it dosnt matter who they replace him with.
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Good post mate and if Burns is dropped he can have no complaints I just think that they will probably go with him for the reasons given. I also agree on Pope.
 
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