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Romain Mundle


Dobblemackem said:
So we just accept we can’t compete with Ipswich now? We just accept we are a mid table championship side, who pushes for the play offs?

Basically a Coventry or Boro, but with the added “model” craic. Is that our position now?

One of the biggest mysteries on here for me that. Posters go absolutely nuts, and defensive when someone says a club are bigger than us, especially if Boro or the mags are included in that statement.

However some posters who are the most animate, then make all these excuses of our actions.

Which is it, are we just an historically big club, who now operates at championship level, with a push for promotion. Or are we the humongous club people are so keen to defend?
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We could do with fully repairing the club following the last disastrous 6 years. I doubt any of us know the real structural financial damage that has been done in that time or how long it will take to get ourselves fighting fit again. Running at a negative of c£6m a year with no chance of getting any massive incoming finance until we return to the Premier league we have to be careful what debt we take on regarding players. It's a balancing act we are doing quite well with at the moment but it could turn to bat shit in the blink of an eye. No guarantees in football and I'm personally happy with a cautious approach at the present time and attempt to build slowly and surely.
 
Arfa Sleep said:
Yeah we've won fuck all since the 70s
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Absolutely a historical big club that has won 1 cup in 86 years same as Preston Portsmouth Blackpool and Charlton even in our bank of England days as it’s called we won nowt.
Thing is we I would say we have the best fans in the Country in that we have always turned up and supported our team home and away during all those years. It’s the fans that make us a big club to everyone else The majority of English football clubs fans historically look at our attendances and would have to admit they can’t match us and in that stems the illusion we are a big club
If you count success on the field as a pointer to a big club then unfortunately we are not. We are Preston Blackpool Portsmouth and Charlton
So for me it’s the Outside Noise, those who gave up their seats for Derby, those humiliated by the branding of the BCB that make us a a historical and present big club. The fans are SAFC. SAFC are the fans.
 
Dobblemackem said:
Which is ultimately my question, and statement.

Historically Sunderland are a huge club. In my opinion, top 10 if not too 15 in England.

However based on where we are at the moment, we are no longer a huge “sleeping giant” we are your run of the mill championship play off contender.

I don’t think the attitude on argument of laughing at your Boro’s, coventrys and ipswiches of the world, and just expecting players to sign for us ahead of others, holds weight based on the defence of the “model”.
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Ok, I'm not really arguing against that, I don't believe we should follow how those clubs have or will operate and if they choose to offer a player more money, I'd expect them to sign there and not here, regardless of how big we perceive the club to be.

We are what you said we are, that's the reality, it seems entirely silly to me to suggest we're a top 15 English club(overall) at the moment.
 
woodlebert said:
I wouldn’t demand we spend money if we can’t afford it. That would be silly.

I think we’re both surely? We’re a historically big club, who operate at championship level seeking promotion. That’s a descriptor of the club and one that a majority of football fans across the UK would accept.

We’re also a club with a sizeable fan base, history, trophies, which is a tradition and history worth defending, hence why fans are passionate when defending the club
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Nobody is saying go out and break the bank. But a little bit of risk, is surely not out of the question is it?

That’s exactly my point. Historically SAFC are massive. However people on here turning their nose up at Boro, Coventry, Ipswich etc. statements like “why would they go to boro” then defending how we are currently doing this is a contradiction in itself.

Our current standing is the same as, Boro and Coventry, and probably worse than Ipswich.

The statement to me remains, we are an historically huge club, but are now a mid table championship club, pushing for the play offs, and are basically no different to a Boro or Coventry.
 
Balti Man said:
Rumour has it we are after another two Liege youth players as part of this deal.

Speakman very keen to get value for money by nabbing a Mundle Bargain Bundle.
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Player called Noah Ohio who i was told about from Liege. Just looked and it says he has signed for Hull on wiki? We were looking at him like.
 
Coeus said:
Ok, I'm not really arguing against that, I don't believe we should follow how those clubs have or will operate and if they choose to offer a player more money, I'd expect them to sign there and not here, regardless of how big we perceive the club to be.

We are what you said we are, that's the reality, it seems entirely silly to me to suggest we're a top 15 English club(overall) at the moment.
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Which as I’ve said is fine. But you can’t have the extreme club can do no wrongers, stating we are huge, and saying x player would never choose y club over Sunderland, then 5 minutes later defending our current dealings.
 
Dobblemackem said:
Nobody is saying go out and break the bank. But a little bit of risk, is surely not out of the question is it?

That’s exactly my point. Historically SAFC are massive. However people on here turning their nose up at Boro, Coventry, Ipswich etc. statements like “why would they go to boro” then defending how we are currently doing this is a contradiction in itself.

Our current standing is the same as, Boro and Coventry, and probably worse than Ipswich.

The statement to me remains, we are an historically huge club, but are now a mid table championship club, pushing for the play offs, and are basically no different to a Boro or Coventry.
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I think we have more natural potential than those teams. See fan base, away support, stadium, training facilities, etc. Which I think feeds into the sense that we are a “big” club for this level. Which we are.

But yes as things stand in a literal sense we’re in the group of teams behind the top championship teams (which is largely the relegated teams this season) who will make up the lower play offs down to midtable.

That’s a description of where we are yes.

I don’t ever make a comment such as “why would you go to Middlesbrough or Coventry” so I can’t speak for those people of course.
 
woodlebert said:
I think we have more natural potential than those teams. See fan base, away support, stadium, training facilities, etc. Which I think feeds into the sense that we are a “big” club for this level. Which we are.

But yes as things stand in a literal sense we’re in the group of teams behind the top championship teams (which is largely the relegated teams this season) who will make up the lower play offs down to midtable.

That’s a description of where we are yes.

I don’t ever make a comment such as “why would you go to Middlesbrough or Coventry” so I can’t speak for those people of course.
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I suppose my question from that would be, what good does that potential do for us?

If we those things, why can we not translate that to competing?
 
stevo said:
Loved him he was unlucky with other inside forwards at the time.
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I looked on Statcat and he was still getting a lot of game time even after Crossan arrived. tailed off suddenly in 1963/4 season so I'd guess it was just down to age. He was a canny little player mind.
 
Dobblemackem said:
Nobody is saying go out and break the bank. But a little bit of risk, is surely not out of the question is it?

That’s exactly my point. Historically SAFC are massive. However people on here turning their nose up at Boro, Coventry, Ipswich etc. statements like “why would they go to boro” then defending how we are currently doing this is a contradiction in itself.

Our current standing is the same as, Boro and Coventry, and probably worse than Ipswich.

The statement to me remains, we are an historically huge club, but are now a mid table championship club, pushing for the play offs, and are basically no different to a Boro or Coventry.
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Gatewise were bigger.

Certainly sounds like wages wise we’re smaller than those.

I wonder which of those your average footballer cares most about.

Thats a question I’d like to ask speakman, where do we actually rank in wages, and do we intend to stay there? Can see decades here spending buttons.
 
Dobblemackem said:
I suppose my question from that would be, what good does that potential do for us?

If we those things, why can we not translate that to competing?
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The truth is we haven’t an owner who can compete at the top end of this league, why say that well we have the 4th lowest budget in the championship.
We also haven’t invested in transfers as we’ve spent around £10m since KLD took over and received a lot more in transfer sales, maybe £15m.

So the only conclusion is KLD either hasn’t the ability or won’t put enough money in to give us a real chance to go up.
 
woodlebert said:
I agree about the DM but I think a winger is welcome

Clarke currently plays every minute of every game & we have Roberts and Ba outside of that and that’s about it. I’m rate Ba but I’m not 100% sure he’s a winger personally. Maybe we have Rusyn on the left. We could do with another winger if it relieves pressure imo.
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I’m not saying it’s not a nice to have.

But DM is an absolutely desperate situation. Desperate.
The Hunter said:
Going back to the 60s when we were still emerging from the 2-3-5 line-ups, 4 was the defender alongside the centre half (5) and 6 was a midfielder. For example Sunderland would have Todd or Harvey at 4 and Baxter at 6.
It's not an exact science and no way was Baxter a defensive midfielder! But then Todd and Harvey were essentially back-four players, not midfielders.
In the modern game, 6 has become the code for a defensive midfielder, 8 is more attack-minded, and the 10 is the floater in midfield breaking into attack....Pritchard, Dack, Aouchiche.
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I always used to say 4 - I’ve been saying we needed a 4 for about three years it feels!

But nobody seemed to understand me until I changed it to six and I notice others saying the same.
 
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