r@mside
Striker
That's missing the point, it should go without saying that it applies to him as well as anyone else peddling their views as some sort of righteous crusade.
RIP John Pilger
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Thurston
Winger
Ah no way.
Have thought for a good few years now that we’ll be in a far sorrier state when the likes of Chomsky and Pilger die. Well, there’s one down.
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Monty Pigeon
Striker
Nee worry. Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, Edward Snowden et al will still be pushing the same anti-Western agenda.
All of them started out with their hearts in the right place. They've all becoming f***ing idiots.
Noam Chomsky: Russia is fighting more humanely than the US did in Iraq
The US linguist on the war in Ukraine, how the West is provoking China and why the UK is “not an independent country anymore”.
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Thurston
Winger
Don’t follow any of those and I’m not approaching this from the position of being “anti-West.” Healthy, functioning society requires people to be able to hold that society and government actions to account.Nee worry. Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, Edward Snowden et al will still be pushing the same anti-Western agenda.
All of them started out with their hearts in the right place. They've all becoming f***ing idiots.
Noam Chomsky: Russia is fighting more humanely than the US did in Iraq
The US linguist on the war in Ukraine, how the West is provoking China and why the UK is “not an independent country anymore”.
Read a lot of Chomsky and Pilger back in the day. And I’m not saying Chomsky hasn’t gone increasingly off the boil, particularly over the last decade. His analytical muscles have definitely deteriorated in recent years.
Stuff like Manufacturing Consent for the propaganda model remains must read, though.
Lankester Merrin
Striker
He was a apologist for Milosevic, and sadly lots of pretend lefties were too. After that no-one should have taken him seriously
SupperandCruncher
Goalkeeper
I wasn't a fan at all. I thought he was a ridiculous so called journalist.
A perfect summation.
Show me a single time when Pilger and Chomsky supported the west. Is the west really uniquely evil in that they’ve never done a good deed nor ever been on the right side of contemporary history? Or is it that these guys are working to bring down the life me and you live, so will therefore take any opportunity, good or bad, to undermine the western narrative?
They’re not discerning journalists, they just hate the west. That’s the only consistent philosophy running through their life’s work. So if you don’t hate the west, don’t support twats like these and hope we get more of them.
A good independent journalist should Sometimes agree and sometimes disagree. That’s not Chomsky or Pilger. They’re both Putinists, uniformly disagreeing with the United States, UK and allies, and agreeing with Putin, Assad and the disgusting regimes in China and Iran.
Hugh Gains
Winger
SupperandCruncher
Goalkeeper
He loved some of the worst dictatorships on earth, he supposedly cared so much about human rights as long as he could blame the yanks, the brits etc.
Him and his ilk are no loss.
Monty Pigeon
Striker
His trajectory is not uncommon: crusading journalist/campaigner starts out exposing injustice wherever he finds it, but eventually becomes blind to any narrative that doesn't fit his established worldview (and actively promotes any that do, regardless of the facts).
It affects high-profile individuals on both the left and right. They drift towards ever more extreme views as they age. I suspect it's because we read them wrong. They're not truth-seekers, they're contrarians.
It affects high-profile individuals on both the left and right. They drift towards ever more extreme views as they age. I suspect it's because we read them wrong. They're not truth-seekers, they're contrarians.
smoker
Striker
ORLY?
The media, especially social media and the so-called alternative media, is full of stories about how jolly rotten the west is, 99% of it bullshit.
RIP
A fine investigative journalist. I hope there are some young people out there to replace the likes of Pilger etc, as if not, the world in future will be a scarier place, without people like this exposing life's injustices.
The right to buy has a lot to answer for
A fine investigative journalist. I hope there are some young people out there to replace the likes of Pilger etc, as if not, the world in future will be a scarier place, without people like this exposing life's injustices.
The right to buy has a lot to answer for
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r@mside
Striker
I wasn't referring to social media and alternate media but since you come to mention it. The attacks on Simon Shuster by your fellow NAFO troops were a good example of the intolerance of uncomfortable truths I was referring to.
Here he is promoting Zelensky as Time magazine Person of the Year in 2022. But, because his authorised biography showed Zelensky isn't perfect and one of his articles highlighted dissatisfaction with policy, the info warriors tried to portray Shuster as pro-Russian. This kind of vilification is becoming rife among competing corporate journalists, not just morons on the internet.
cosmicchris00
Striker
Hardly a fitting eulogy for the towering figure of contemporary journalism that was John Pilger.
In a modern media world populated by press secretaries, corrupt media moguls and their sycophants, Pilger stood out as one who wasn't going to fall for it all.
Although you may have disagreed with him, and many did, he was a man of principle.
He spoke his mind
He spoke the truth
