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Retirement

Took 6 months and plenty of chasing on my part but I’ve finally got all of my previous private pensions into a SIPP, it’s grown more in the last fortnight than it did in months with the company I used to cobble them all together.

This thread gave me the kick up the backside to get cracking with the admin, thank you all.
 

Tell me about it!

I’ve been self employed for 35+ years, am in my sixties, and only recently got my act together to provide for the future. Luckily, I have always been saving into an ISA and have left myself enough time before my retirement date to be able to transfer enough of these savings into an adequate pension pot. The sums add up and there is just enough time left, but I DO wish I’d had my moment of financial clarity to make a start on this pension payment regime about 10 years ago. It would have made my life much less stressful and I would urge anyone else to plan earlier than me! Start early, kiddo.

But hey-ho, here we are with a viable plan and the finishing line in sight.
Why transfer from an isa to a pension, there's a chance you'll pay tax when you withdraw it? The two things can grow equally well?
 
Earlier this week I maxed out this years ISA and put everything in place to start taking my private pension as drawdown when I need it. I sat down with a cup of tea and at first I was relieved it was all sorted but then suddenly became all depressed thinking this is it, my usefulness to society has ended, I'm now just another pensioner waiting to die.
A couple of beers later and I was feeling better. I've never worked since December but have agreed to do 3 days next week and will continue to do the odd days when needed if they suit me. Being depressed for those couple of hours took me completely by surprise, I thought I'd be over the moon at getting retirement sorted.
Anyone else get depressed realising their working life was over?
 
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…Earlier this week I maxed out this years ISA and put everything in place to start taking my private pension as drawdown when I need it. I sat down with a cup of tea and at first I was relieved it was all sorted but then suddenly became all depressed thinking this is it,my usefulness to society has ended, I'm now just another pensioner waiting to die.
Society owes you f@ck-all if you’ve worked, paid taxes etc.

It’s your turn to be selfish (if you decide to be).

I look around and see many people who take out more than they’ll ever control so I’m hopping the hutch ASAP.
 
Earlier this week I maxed out this years ISA and put everything in place to start taking my private pension as drawdown when I need it. I sat down with a cup of tea and at first I was relieved it was all sorted but then suddenly became all depressed thinking this is it, my usefulness to society has ended, I'm now just another pensioner waiting to die.
A couple of beers later and I was feeling better. I've never worked since December but have agreed to do 3 days next week and will continue to do the odd days when needed if they suit me. Being depressed for those couple of hours took me completely by surprise, I thought I'd be over the moon at getting retirement sorted.
Anyone else get depressed realising their working life was over?

I’ll be honest mate. I cannot wait to switch my weekday alarm off and live at my pace.

I’m baffled by people that go back to work tbh, I will skip out of the door on my last day and not look back.
 
Earlier this week I maxed out this years ISA and put everything in place to start taking my private pension as drawdown when I need it. I sat down with a cup of tea and at first I was relieved it was all sorted but then suddenly became all depressed thinking this is it, my usefulness to society has ended, I'm now just another pensioner waiting to die.
A couple of beers later and I was feeling better. I've never worked since December but have agreed to do 3 days next week and will continue to do the odd days when needed if they suit me. Being depressed for those couple of hours took me completely by surprise, I thought I'd be over the moon at getting retirement sorted.
Anyone else get depressed realising their working life was over?
I think it all comes down to if you enjoyed your job. I think I've said before when I drove out the gates for the last time I didn't feel anything, not happy, sad nothing just drove out and that was it.
As fate would have it I ended up in a factory where I had to pass the place where I had started my apprenticeship 40 years previously so did think "fkn hell that's gone over quick" but that was it
 
Society owes you f@ck-all if you’ve worked, paid taxes etc.

It’s your turn to be selfish (if you decide to be).

I look around and see many people who take out more than they’ll ever control so I’m hopping the hutch ASAP.
*contribute* not control.
 
Earlier this week I maxed out this years ISA and put everything in place to start taking my private pension as drawdown when I need it. I sat down with a cup of tea and at first I was relieved it was all sorted but then suddenly became all depressed thinking this is it, my usefulness to society has ended, I'm now just another pensioner waiting to die.
A couple of beers later and I was feeling better. I've never worked since December but have agreed to do 3 days next week and will continue to do the odd days when needed if they suit me. Being depressed for those couple of hours took me completely by surprise, I thought I'd be over the moon at getting retirement sorted.
Anyone else get depressed realising their working life was over?
It comes down to what you want. You've worked 40 years because you had to. Now the position is different., you can work a couple of days if it suits you, or not, the choice is yours

I can understand your feeling of loss really, loss of routine loss of workmates etc. However its now a case of getting on with the rest of your life and making the best use of it. I hope you enjoy it.
 
It comes down to what you want. You've worked 40 years because you had to. Now the position is different., you can work a couple of days if it suits you, or not, the choice is yours

I can understand your feeling of loss really, loss of routine loss of workmates etc. However its now a case of getting on with the rest of your life and making the best use of it. I hope you enjoy it.
I get that, getting on with the rest of my life, I was just surprised I got so depressed realising that I was retired. Maybe I'm just realising I'm not immortal, that death is getting closer. You know like a book, there is a beginning, a middle and an end. I'm now at that end. Anyways there's plenty of living to do. Black Cats of Italy party in June, June/July with mates in Spain and Portugal and plenty of spare time to shoot off to where ever I want. I just need this fecking rain to stop.
 
Took 6 months and plenty of chasing on my part but I’ve finally got all of my previous private pensions into a SIPP, it’s grown more in the last fortnight than it did in months with the company I used to cobble them all together.

This thread gave me the kick up the backside to get cracking with the admin, thank you all.
I'm on sorting mine out now. Which SIPP would you recommend?
 
Why transfer from an isa to a pension, there's a chance you'll pay tax when you withdraw it? The two things can grow equally well?
Good point on the ISA. So far, I’ve been using savings from another account to feed the pension. Should have made that clear.
 
Possibly. Cracking gig though if you can get it.

At our place it’s like clockwork. Feb/March announcement that the company is planning redundancies. Usually it’s 50 or 100 plus so they have to put together an employee committee for a month to ‘consult’ once that’s done and they inevitably say they are needed it’s another month to offer a voluntary round, accept offers and get agreements. Typically it’s 6 months full pay and notice with most on 3. By the time it’s all done they have basically got a years earnings inc the payout and with the first 30k tax fee it’s probably more like 15/16 months net.

Worth hanging on for
Backfill/top up the last 4 years of Penison allowance tax-free, kerching.
Which is why there will usually be additional compensation on top of the voluntary amount to avoid a potentially expensive legal case.

A well timed redundancy can be fantastic.
It was 🥳
 
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Earlier this week I maxed out this years ISA and put everything in place to start taking my private pension as drawdown when I need it. I sat down with a cup of tea and at first I was relieved it was all sorted but then suddenly became all depressed thinking this is it, my usefulness to society has ended, I'm now just another pensioner waiting to die.
A couple of beers later and I was feeling better. I've never worked since December but have agreed to do 3 days next week and will continue to do the odd days when needed if they suit me. Being depressed for those couple of hours took me completely by surprise, I thought I'd be over the moon at getting retirement sorted.
Anyone else get depressed realising their working life was over?
Not one bit . I've worked non stop from school
I've done my bit. My work life proved how useful I was .
I wasn't saving lives or inventing things so I'm more than happy to observe the hamster wheel from afar now
 
one on behalf of the missus (no)..
if has a mixture of cash / s+s isa / Pension SIPP - Hoping to retire in couple months , age 58 , what is best to access first ?
Before recent announcement on IHT and dying after 75.. Advice was always keep the pension as long as possible as it sits outside IHT and a canny way of passing on your fiscally savvy investing and looking after yours' and family well being. That is now out of the window. Depends on what your thoughts are on "passing" on funds after you're gone, if you're not bothered about that and any potential taxation issues down the line, a mix of all of the above and maxxing as much as you can using the 75% crystalised part of pensions to hit your self allowance (12k ish) then adding 25% from your tax free element from Pension. Then topping up whatever you need from ISA/cash.
Yeah, the tax free quandary is an interesting one. Makes sense to use it over time for tax efficiency in one regard, but at the same time there is no guarantee that it will remain tax free forever, so there's another argument that says whip it all out at once to keep HMRC's hands off it.

The poster a few posts above makes an important point too, about having a couple of years' drawdowns in cash equivalents, so you're never in a position of having to sell equities in the immediate aftermath of a crash.
Dilemmas back and forwards with taking the full 25% lump sum, as that means anything you take from it after that is taxable (ie remaining 75%), but still have the personal tax allowance of 12k. I had moved away from taking lumpers, but given the recent announcements on IHT and new DC rules, I'm thinking of taking it. Getting a hit at 20%, on anything over 12k, doing some gifting and enjoying life. Oh aye, property in trust.
The future tax treatment of pensions is an excellent point. Who knows what a future Chancellor may decide to do.
Hopefully reverse this recent calamity of a decision, and raising the level of IHT threshold a lot more. It hasn't changed since 2009, under inflation alone it would now be set at £517k.
I've three company pensions. The first one is final salary and the previous and current ones are defined contribution.

I am planning on moving the last one over to the current scheme with Aviva, just to keep them together to be easier to manage.

The original one i'll leave as is. But, is there any scenario or case where I should transfer this final salary scheme over to a defined contribution pot? My dislike of the final salary is that the inflation cap on it is low so in real terms it's lost a fair bit of value in the last 5 years or so. That would be built into any transfer value though I assume. Also, assuming they remain separate am I better taking all of the combined tax free value out of the defined contribution pot.

I know I should probably go and speak to an IFA, but the SMB can likely give me good advice for free 😁
Nope, in most cases IFA and Estate planners would advise keeping the DB - for one, it will sit outside IHT and is guaranteed, the company take the risk on the markets and is backed by PPF. I have been looking at exactly this for last few weeks with IFA. However, absolutely your situation could be one of those where they advise it makes sense (not knowing size of pots, whether you plan to take annuities/draw down/UFPLS etc.)

I did amalgamate a couple of DC funds and transferred to new Pension provider and management, did the same for Mrs. They have both gone up extremely nicely. Very happy I did it.

Absolutely take combined tax free values, my dilemma is whether to take the full 25%, get it banked, reinvested into SIPPS (limited amount) and ISA's, possibly gift some to kids and take a small hit on the remaining 75% taxable part after personal allowance. But I have my own selfish reasons for considering this.
 
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I didn't know this was possible. I'm guessing you have to take into account your relevant earnings from those last 4 years, deduct what you have already put in and then Bobs your uncle? TIA for any advice on this matter
It is that easy. Assuming you are not earning £250k+, your maximum contributions for the last 4 years are the lower of your UK earnings and £60k. Add that all together and that is your maximum allowance for past 4 years.

The assuming you have no defined benefit pensions, add up what contributions you made in those 4 years.

The first number less the second number is your carried forward allowance. You can get the full tax benefit for a contribution up to this amount.

Bear in mind that any contributions you have made from after tax income have been grossed up for tax in your pension. i.e. if you have made a contribution of £80 from your own funds, it will have had the 20% tax added to it in your pension, so it counts as a £100 contribution. The same for any one-off conribution made to take advantage of the unused allowance.
 
It is that easy. Assuming you are not earning £250k+, your maximum contributions for the last 4 years are the lower of your UK earnings and £60k. Add that all together and that is your maximum allowance for past 4 years.

The assuming you have no defined benefit pensions, add up what contributions you made in those 4 years.

The first number less the second number is your carried forward allowance. You can get the full tax benefit for a contribution up to this amount.

Bear in mind that any contributions you have made from after tax income have been grossed up for tax in your pension. i.e. if you have made a contribution of £80 from your own funds, it will have had the 20% tax added to it in your pension, so it counts as a £100 contribution. The same for any one-off conribution made to take advantage of the unused allowance.
It really isn't that easy and the carried forward allowance is only 3 years. You need to be earning over £60k for a start and you can only put in up to your relevant earnings.

As an example say you earn £40k for 3 years and make pension payments of £10k/ year. You then have a windfall of £80k and decide to put it in your pension. The most you can put in is £40k, you have no carry forward allowance (Ignoring all tax relief) For you to use carry forward you would need a to change jobs and find one that pays £80k if you wanted to put £80k in.
I didn't know this was possible. I'm guessing you have to take into account your relevant earnings from those last 4 years, deduct what you have already put in and then Bobs your uncle? TIA for any advice on this matter
It probably isn't possible unless you are in the position as above
I didn't know this was possible. I'm guessing you have to take into account your relevant earnings from those last 4 years, deduct what you have already put in and then Bobs your uncle? TIA for any advice on this matter
Also just looked at the original post you replied to. He seemed to be suggesting using a redundancy payment to top it up. £30k of redundancy pay is take free they are not relevant earnings so can't be used as a pension contribution either👍
 
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It really isn't that easy and the carried forward allowance is only 3 years. You need to be earning over £60k for a start and you can only put in up to your relevant earnings.

As an example say you earn £40k for 3 years and make pension payments of £10k/ year. You then have a windfall of £80k and decide to put it in your pension. The most you can put in is £40k, you have no carry forward allowance (Ignoring all tax relief) For you to use carry forward you would need a to change jobs and find one that pays £80k if you wanted to put £80k in.

It probably isn't possible unless you are in the position as above

Also just looked at the original post you replied to. He seemed to be suggesting using a redundancy payment to top it up. £30k of redundancy pay is take free they are not relevant earnings so can't be used as a pension contribution either👍
Okay I knew 30k of a redundancy payment was tax free but you're saying the remainder cannot be classed as relevant earnings for that year?
Let's say I get laid off in mid-April and receive a redundancy of 70k, my relevant earnings for the year are next to zilch because we are still in April.
What can I do with the taxable portion of the 70k?
 
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