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I have very few regrets in life. Living with the benifit of hindsight is all well and good but if could turn the clock back, setting up a retirement plan 20 years earlier would be the one thing I'd do. Boring as sin but so worth it 30 years down the line. Wasted so much cash over the years...
 

I have very few regrets in life. Living with the benifit of hindsight is all well and good but if could turn the clock back, setting up a retirement plan 20 years earlier would be the one thing I'd do. Boring as sin but so worth it 30 years down the line. Wasted so much cash over the years...
I remember when I started work after university I asked one of the pension trustees if it was worth joining the company pension scheme and paying the 5% of my salary. He gave me some speil about it's a personal choice, rely on the state pension and benefits or sacrifice 5% for independence. I joined, he should have said it's a no-brainer.
 
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I have very few regrets in life. Living with the benifit of hindsight is all well and good but if could turn the clock back, setting up a retirement plan 20 years earlier would be the one thing I'd do. Boring as sin but so worth it 30 years down the line. Wasted so much cash over the years...
Wasted or enjoyed ??
I/we sound similar , we had a great social life thru our 20/30/40s and loads hols n weekends away , it was only when the missus hit 50 that hit home about her lack of pension (mine at that time was final salary til employer forced us out), since then I’ve hammered her pension and S&S isa each year and as result gone without a few things like doin the house up , 6 year later and it looking ok so can ease off. Had hoped I could retire 54/55 but now likely 57-58, same for the missus
I remember when I started work after university I asked one of the pension trustees if it was worth joining the company pension scheme and paying the 5% of my salary. He gave me some speil about it's a personal choice, rely on the state pension and benefits or sacrifice 5% for independence. I joined, he should have said it's a no-brainer.
Had similar my place when I started at 17 but the union rep said don’t be a dick make sure join the pension scheme now … best advice I got as at time thought of it as lost beer money , final salary scheme but booted out age 49 but at least got protected 32years in (or 33 as got a bonus year somehow ), since then just used it to build up a normal pension pot to go alongside it and help wife with hers.
I know lot of people cash in final salary pensions but there’s a lot to be said for a stress free retirement , just hits your bank every month and a payslip. Although I did try sell mine but the IFA boss rejected the transfer
 
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It’s the much mocked “ male menopause “. I know at lot of blokes in their 50s who have reached a career pinnacle, brought the kids up , paid or almost paid the house off… no debt.

Sounds wonderful but most have a feeling of being “ redundant “ from life or society . Hard wired to graft. , earn and raise a family - their task is almost complete and the future looks kind of desolate.

It’s tough - needs to be more discussion and hope for this because it’s real.

One lad who has a nice family , house etc without being rich - solid decent lad - told me one night he was sat home alone and suddenly burst into floods of tears . It shocked him tbh and he said he felt useless although he’d done a fantastic job by his family.

It’s more common than we think.

Are these people tradesman/ manual labour jobs out of interest? As whenever we have these discussions around retirement, it does tend to be the tradies who worry more about that kind of thing.
 
I remember when I started work after university I asked one of the pension trustees if it was worth joining the company pension scheme and paying the 5% of my salary. He gave me some speil about it's a personal choice, rely on the state pension and benefits or sacrifice 5% for independence. I joined, he should have said it's a no-brainer.
The place where I worked (Insurance Co) had this ruling in the early/mid 90's that you couldn't join their pension scheme until you were 25. I was ok but a younger co-worker was wanting to put in at 21 and had to wait. Crazy.
 
I've ran my numbers yesterday and think I can just about retire at 55 or maybe go part time at 55 and retire at 57. My current thinking is by an annuity (for a partial bit of pension) then use some passive income streams I have as well as some other investment vehicles that my advisor should be able to help with. That is something I would highly recommend getting and paying a couple of hundred quid for in your 40s and also as you are about to retire, they are experts in this stuff and will give you the best chance of hitting your goal.

The way I see it mortgage is paid in 14 months and in four years all kids will be though Uni so after that I'll be 52 and hopefully debt free so can lump even more into the pot. Once you have your house and the kids have left its surprising how little money you need to have a season ticket and a couple of holidays a year. Like someone said on this thread you'll run out of time before you run out of money, my dad passed at 66 while still in work and at that point I made a 20 year plan of how I can get out of the rat race. I like my job and it pays well and I can pretty much do what I want but I prefer golf, guitars, holidays, gardening, reading and walking more.
Can I ask who you used to pay a couple of hundred of quid for advice, all the ones I've been recommended want full control of the portfolio and that's not what I want?
 
I worked past my pension age and became a TWAT(Tues,Weds and Thurs). I started to draw my various pensions(state,Navy and works) and lived off them while I banked my wages to see how it would work before I took my retirement.
It was a good exercise and it gave me the opportunity to look at my outgoings especially things like phone, broadband etc and it's surprising how much you can save without any major disruption.
As for retirement. Go for it. You're a long time dead.
 
Are these people tradesman/ manual labour jobs out of interest? As whenever we have these discussions around retirement, it does tend to be the tradies who worry more about that kind of thing.
It’s a mixture of former jobs but the couple of lads with some issues ,( physical and mental) are building craftsmen who never made it to site or contract manager level and were on the tools until they retired
- and not through choice.
 
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I worked past my pension age and became a TWAT(Tues,Weds and Thurs). I started to draw my various pensions(state,Navy and works) and lived off them while I banked my wages to see how it would work before I took my retirement.
It was a good exercise and it gave me the opportunity to look at my outgoings especially things like phone, broadband etc and it's surprising how much you can save without any major disruption.
As for retirement. Go for it. You're a long time dead.
Same, after 65 I worked a three day week until covid and then 5 days, 8 till 12 WFH. Gave me time to adjust and see how the finances worked out. Not paying pension and National Insurance contributions after 65 made a big difference.
 
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A question for anyone who can help, I'm 54 and I've got a workplace pension with people's pension and looking to retire at 60 and draw it down taking the 25% tax free yearly with the draw down, I plan to empty it by the time my state pension kicks in and I have another pot with Vanguard which is to go along side my state pension, when I access the Vanguard pot will I be able to take a 25% tax free lump sum then ? Or would I be better off looking to combine the 2 pots before I retire? Cheers in advance.
 
A question for anyone who can help, I'm 54 and I've got a workplace pension with people's pension and looking to retire at 60 and draw it down taking the 25% tax free yearly with the draw down, I plan to empty it by the time my state pension kicks in and I have another pot with Vanguard which is to go along side my state pension, when I access the Vanguard pot will I be able to take a 25% tax free lump sum then ? Or would I be better off looking to combine the 2 pots before I retire? Cheers in advance.

In my completely uninformed opinion, yes you can.

As far as I see it if you have £100k in pot A and £100 in pot B, which are both pensions, then you have an allowance for £50k overall.
Each pot allows 25% of each pension.

Naturally if your pot B remains untouched for 10 years or so it might be worth £150k, so you allowance will then be £25k (pot A) plus £37k (pot B)
So you'll end up with a 25% of £72k overall.

Obviously take proper advice before doing or assuming anything from someone who knows what they're talking about :)
 
A question for anyone who can help, I'm 54 and I've got a workplace pension with people's pension and looking to retire at 60 and draw it down taking the 25% tax free yearly with the draw down, I plan to empty it by the time my state pension kicks in and I have another pot with Vanguard which is to go along side my state pension, when I access the Vanguard pot will I be able to take a 25% tax free lump sum then ? Or would I be better off looking to combine the 2 pots before I retire? Cheers in advance.

You can’t take 25% tax free yearly.
Just the once.

No expert here mind.
 
A question for anyone who can help, I'm 54 and I've got a workplace pension with people's pension and looking to retire at 60 and draw it down taking the 25% tax free yearly with the draw down, I plan to empty it by the time my state pension kicks in and I have another pot with Vanguard which is to go along side my state pension, when I access the Vanguard pot will I be able to take a 25% tax free lump sum then ? Or would I be better off looking to combine the 2 pots before I retire? Cheers in advance.
You can take 25 % from each pot but it will have to go into a potentially less lucrative drawdown account before you get your mits on it .

I think you need to be 55.

Once I’d got me 25% tax free I put the balance of 2 pots into a single pot for ease.
You can’t take 25% tax free yearly.
Just the once.

No expert here mind.
I think he means taking the tax free 25% total in yearly lumpers.
 
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You can take 25 % from each pot but it will have to go into a potentially less lucrative drawdown account before you get your mits on it .

I think you need to be 55.

Once I’d got me 25% tax free I put the balance of 2 pots into a single pot for ease.

I think he means taking the tax free 25% total in yearly lumpers.
Yeh that's what I was thinking alongside my £12,700 tax allowance sum so maxing the tax free amount per year.
So basically you have 2 drawdown accounts one with your pension balance and one with your 25% in ?
 
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Yeh that's what I was thinking alongside my £12,700 tax allowance sum so maxing the tax free amount per year.
You ll only pay tax if you nibble at the 75% thats left ( I think that is ring fenced until your retirement date)- if you are currently earning , your allowance has allready been gobbled up . You might even go into a higher tax bracket if you nibble too much.

Once you get the state pension you can withdraw the difference between your state pension income and your tax allowance without paying tax - couple of grand ish.

If you take out more beyond your tax allowance its taxed.
Yeh that's what I was thinking alongside my £12,700 tax allowance sum so maxing the tax free amount per year.
So basically you have 2 drawdown accounts one with your pension balance and one with your 25% in ?
Incidentally when I moved into draw down I was pushed to used a financial advisor ( they made it out that it was compulsory)- they quoted £5000 the robbing bastards - so I did some research and sorted it myself.

Used the government advisory schemes or even better you get great advice on here !!!!
 
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You ll only pay tax if you nibble at the 75% thats left ( I think that is ring fenced until your retirement date)- if you are currently earning , your allowance has allready been gobbled up . You might even go into a higher tax bracket if you nibble too much.

Once you get the state pension you can withdraw the difference between your state pension income and your tax allowance without paying tax - couple of grand ish.

If you take out more beyond your tax allowance its taxed.

Incidentally when I moved into draw down I was pushed to used a financial advisor ( they made it out that it was compulsory)- they quoted £5000 the robbing bastards - so I did some research and sorted it myself.

Used the government advisory schemes or even better you get great advice on here !!!!
Cheers few year to go yet but need to start looking at it 👍
This thread has been a good source of info.
 
Yeh that's what I was thinking alongside my £12,700 tax allowance sum so maxing the tax free amount per year.
So basically you have 2 drawdown accounts one with your pension balance and one with your 25% in ?
That's not how it works. You'll get the tax free part of whatever amount you put into drawdown paid straight away. So if you put £16760 into drawdown you'll get the lump sum of £4200 paid to you then if you take £1047/ month that will use up your tax allowance for the year if that's your ONLY income.
You could put any amount you want into drawdown and you'd get 25% tax free of that amount and still just take £1047/ month and if that's your ONLY income you'd pay no tax. I wouldn't do this but some do to buy a car, pay mortgage off etc

Regarding the funds in drawdown. You could put the money into exactly the same funds as you had before so you won't miss out on any growth, but as ever depending on what happens to markets you could also lose a canny bit. I wouldn't do this either 👍
 
That's not how it works. You'll get the tax free part of whatever amount you put into drawdown paid straight away. So if you put £16760 into drawdown you'll get the lump sum of £4200 paid to you then if you take £1047/ month that will use up your tax allowance for the year if that's your ONLY income.
You could put any amount you want into drawdown and you'd get 25% tax free of that amount and still just take £1047/ month and if that's your ONLY income you'd pay no tax. I wouldn't do this but some do to buy a car, pay mortgage off etc

Regarding the funds in drawdown. You could put the money into exactly the same funds as you had before so you won't miss out on any growth, but as ever depending on what happens to markets you could also lose a canny bit. I wouldn't do this either 👍
Cheers, the £16,760 was what I was thinking ballpark wise and topping it up with savings as needed.
Need it to last the 7 yr so don't want to take the 25% in one go.
 
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