Morny
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They drew with them in the return fixture
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Rafael Benítez
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They drew with them in the return fixture
Indeed. Though you should probably remove the last game of the season from each, if considering their performances in keeping the sides up, mostly because there was nothing at stake then, but also because we played a much changed team, and Spurs clearly didn't give a shit.
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Jardin
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If you don't watch out he'll post his rainbow coloured goals for and against charts that show exactly the square root of fuck all.
Morny
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Tbf, nor could Everton against us. You could go all day doing that sort of thing, picking and choosing games to suit stats. You could take out the Leicester game (Benitez's first) as he only had a day or two in charge to sort it out.
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Jardin
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I already said previously that they looked improved and ran round more. What I am telling you is the results did not massively improve at all as we are led to believe. If you can't see that then there is no point in the discussion.
Mainze
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I'm not blaming him solely for the whole season. I'm saying he had a very realistic opportunity to keep them up when he took over, and was a failure. Ergo I fail to see what the hysteria about him staying is about.
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AndrewP
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They did but again, you have to look at the bigger picture, it's childish not to. Like saying Pochettino is a shit manager because relegated Newcastle did the double over him. Or if Newcastle had beaten Villa, or Bournemouth at home, or, or ,or...
doesn't really tell the whole story does it.
I understand it's a sunderland message board, so there's value in trying to have a dig at the lost magpies, but to claim Benitez didn't improve Newcastle from the shit show McClaren left, that Rafa isn't a good manager, that we're not lucky to have him in our current state... it's just a bit f***ing silly really.
Nobody is claiming Benitez is a shit manager, history would dictate otherwise.
The whole story might go something like this:
Newcastle were one point from safety with a game in hand when Benitez took over, despite a (slight) improvement in overall form under Benitez's control, it was too little too late and Newcastle once again won relegation to The Championship at the expense of former local yo-yo club Sunderland finishing two points adrift from safety despite having both a game in hand and home game against the aforementioned local firmly established Premier League club Sunderland.
The Fish
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Well, given that's literally what your fellow sunderland fans are saying I'd maybe have a word with them?
Morny
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Because he improved them, considerably, and despite those poor results their fans can see that. And because he's a thousand times better than any other manager they're likely to get.
It's not that shocking, to be fair.
AlpineExile
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Do you not understand what the phrase "moving in the wrong direction means"?
Allardyce's last ten games were 10 14 9 +5 ...
Laeotaekhun
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The Fish
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There are plenty saying he's no good, that he didn't improve us, that he won't be able to manage in the Championship, etc.
To be honest we could do this all day.
Morny
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I already said previously that they looked improved and ran round more. What I am telling you is the results did not massively improve at all as we are led to believe. If you can't see that then there is no point in the discussion.
So hold on. You've already said there's not enough games to accurately judge an improvement (even though they did show an improvement), but now you're using the fact results didn't improve by whatever yardstick you've set to prove your point.
If their wasn't enough games to use results as a measure, then people have to judge on their own eyes. The fact is, similar to Allardyce, he came in with a squad which isn't very good and made an improvement but not a ground-breaking one. Luckily for us Allardyce had more time and a transfer window and improved us considerably over time.
Botchie
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You've started your share of threads laughing at the mags in recent weeks, nothing wrong with that. But your liking posts that criticise the number of posts laughing at the mags.
AndrewP
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Their results improved, but did their performances actually improve all that much? Obviously they played like world beaters once they were down, but before then, despite picking up more points per game, were they playing well?
He didn't fail in style like Shearer, but by not keeping them up he still failed, much like BSA would have failed had we gone down. I'd have stuck with BSA had we gone down narrowly this season, much like the mags will stick with Rafa. He still failed though.
Aye, GD was irrelevant in the end, unlike your lack of a win against either Sunderland or Norwich during the 10 game rafalution.
Kind of agree, but the key point here was PL survival, and since we achieved that before the final round of games, the managers' relative performances in keeping the teams up ended after the Everton game. Probably not worth discussing too much further, but it's pretty clear to me (like most people) that Benitez's appointment did bring some improvement to their performances. The only thing that matters though, is that it didn't yield enough points and wasn't enough of a bounce to keep them up.
Laeotaekhun
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How about SAFC's blunder in signing Defoe?
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