Rafael Benítez

[Reiver]

I did. I shall choose my words around you more carefully as it seems you're intent on derailing conversations with pointless semantic pedantry.

That's not the first time you've said that.

Besides, it's not semantic pedantry, you're one of the worst on here for taking uncomfortable questions off in a ludicrous direction.

I was making a valid point that Newcastle supporters are apt to believe 'the whole country' is watching their every move.

In reality many of the supporters of the top half teams couldn't give a monkey's about either Sunderland or Newcastle.

I remember a time when Leeds kept telling everyone that they'd be sorely missed

 

[watersedge]

To be fair it has been a big topic on Talkshyte all week and I agree with the above they will probably piss that league but how far will we have moved on by then is the question for our board and management. I like the derbies and probably the only interesting thing that happens every season. Still we have Boro in the meantime

 

[The Fish]

That's not the first time you've said that.

Besides, it's not semantic pedantry, you're one of the worst on here for taking uncomfortable questions off in a ludicrous direction.

I was making a valid point that Newcastle supporters are apt to believe 'the whole country' is watching their every move.

In reality many of the supporters of the top half teams couldn't give a monkey's about either Sunderland or Newcastle.

I remember a time when Leeds kept telling everyone that they'd be sorely missed

How did you expect the Arsenal - Villa game to go?

 

[Reiver]

I did. I shall choose my words around you more carefully as it seems you're intent on derailing conversations with pointless semantic pedantry.


Seriously? Is that your win? Will you permit the others to continue their more pertinent line of questioning?

Pertinent line of questioning, are you serious?

You're pointlessly pontificating about whether Benitez would've saved Newcastle if he'd arrives sooner.

And doing the same about whether he'll stay and what he might achieve if he did.

Pertinent line of questioning ........ you need to take a break from here, it's not Crown Court

How did you expect the Arsenal - Villa game to go?

Not the same thing ......... you're talking about a point during a game when other team's supporters were more interested in their own teams.

That's a very poor comparison tbh.

 

[GBSAFC]

Press association reporting that a descion might not come until next week.. but hes desperate and verbally agreed

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if true... reeks of touting for other jobs

 

[FIVE]

Pertinent line of questioning, are you serious?

You're pointlessly pontificating about whether Benitez would've saved Newcastle if he'd arrives sooner.

And doing the same about whether he'll stay and what he might achieve if he did.

Pertinent line of questioning ........ you need to take a break from here, it's not Crown Court



Not the same thing ......... you're talking about a point during a game when other team's supporters were more interested in their own teams.

That's a very poor comparison tbh.

Have a fuckin day off man......youre boring.

 

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[WackyJackyO]

I think you also have to take into account everything that goes with the situation. Newcastle fans aren't delighted with the possible long-term appointment Rafa because he failed to keep us up. It's because of what came before him and what came before that and before that. It's because of where a manager of his caliber can take us. Given the time and the support (and a bit of luck) he can get us comfortably mid-table, he has that level of ability. It's also because in 10 games we saw a team emerge from a set of gutless individuals bereft of organisation, of confidence and of a sense of identity. It's been repeated ad infinitum but it does bear repeating, had Rafa been appointed earlier I firmly believe we'd have stayed up.

Don't expect a man of your calibre to type "caliber", tbh.

 

[rowley2]

This bloke took his time to agree to come for ten games. Nee wonder he's being a bit sluggish about signing on the line.

Can't honestly see who is going to make him a better offer actually, so he'll be parading his best tray in front of the adoring, under employed devotes next week sometime.

 

[The Fish]

Pertinent line of questioning, are you serious?

You're pointlessly pontificating about whether Benitez would've saved Newcastle if he'd arrives sooner.

And doing the same about whether he'll stay and what he might achieve if he did.

Pertinent line of questioning ........ you need to take a break from here, it's not Crown Court



Not the same thing ......... you're talking about a point during a game when other team's supporters were more interested in their own teams.

That's a very poor comparison tbh.

I'm afraid it was entirely clear, by the delivery, that my point was that if you'd chosen to ask anyone's opinion at the time, they'd have expected Newcastle to lose. I did not assert, by implication or otherwise, that anyone would proffer that opinion unprovoked. You inferred it to fashion a platform from which you could try to affirm a common cliche repeated about your team's local rival.

 

[Teed]

As has been said elsewhere, John Carver could probably get this squad back up. The Championship is nowhere near as good as is made out on Sky. Competitive, sure, but the teams who come up are usually odds on for relegation and usually one or more of the promoted sides do go straight back down. When Allardyce took over West Ham they came back immediately, when Hughton took charge of us we strolled through the league as well. If you had gone down under Allardyce I'm sure you would have bounced back straight away as well.

Rafa isn't a "Championship" manager, he's better than that. But say we don't get Benitez and instead appoint Warnock, then we bounce straight back, I wouldn't want to risk Old Thumbhead Charnley being in charge of appointing someone to take over when the wheels come off the Warnock Wagon.

The squad that couldn't beat Villa or Norwich?

 

[The Fish]

Don't expect a man of your calibre to type "caliber", tbh.

To my shame, I always confuse the US and correct spelling of that.

The squad that couldn't beat Villa or Norwich?

Yes, the squad that drew with Liverpool and beat Spurs.

 

[WackyJackyO]

However, despite his interest in what is on the table after holding talks with owner Mike Ashley and managing director Lee Charnley over the last week, the door remains open for another opportunity to come his way.

Who would want someone who clearly doesn't want them?

It's like marrying this gorgeous bird, more by good luck than good management, then getting the sack at work, at which point she says "Ideally I want somebody in a job , but if I can't find anybody within a couple of weeks, you can carry on filling in ~ until a better option becomes available."

NUFC is his, at least, fall-back position. Why are they so happy? Deluded and besotted. A marriage made in heaven ~ for Wor Rafa. can't lose.

 

[Bear]

Wouldn't be surprised, Caulkin seems to think it's likely but the finer details are still being hashed out. Sounds like Carr is on his way out, which would make me think that the transfer committee is being sacked off. There's been positive noises from Perez, Mitrovic, Townsend (and a few fringe players) but the likes of Sissoko, Wijnaldum, Janmaat, Mbemba will likely be sitting down with Rafa to see if;
a) he wants them,
b) they want to stay
c) the finance side of things.

I know there's a decent portion of the sunderland fans who don't rate Rafa, but I'm genuinely excited about the prospect of having a man with his trophy laden CV managing my club, after years of employing men with nothing but failure on theirs.

Mitrovic when asked said "I hope so" sounds dead keen mind What are these players going to say "fuck that I'm off" they'll say positive things until other teams (if they do) come in for them

To my shame, I always confuse the US and correct spelling of that.


Yes, the squad that drew with Liverpool and beat Spurs.

After watching MOTD I think Villa would've got a draw against Spurs on Sunday

 

[WackyJackyO]

To be fair it has been a big topic on Talkshyte all week and I agree with the above they will probably piss that league but how far will we have moved on by then is the question for our board and management. I like the derbies and probably the only interesting thing that happens every season. Still we have Boro in the meantime

This. They're still talking about it, no mention of us at all. Also going on about Leicester City's support.
Watford away was the away support performance of the year from what I've been able to see ~ and there have been many marvellous performances by our away lot this year. Not a squeak on MOTD, for example.

 

[The Fish]

Mitrovic when asked said "I hope so" sounds dead keen mind What are these players going to say "fuck that I'm off" they'll say positive things until other teams (if they do) come in for them


After watching MOTD I think Villa would've got a draw against Spurs on Sunday

I think the Spartans would have routed that Spurs team, they were awful.

Mad-Mitro has been in the Serbian press saying he wants to be a legend at Newcastle, but yeah it could all be bollocks, which is why I said "positive noises" rather than "These three are definitely staying".

Mind you, there are degrees to the positive noises though, as I'm sure you're aware, they could have come out and said "Devastated about the relegation... thanks to all the fans... looking forward to working hard to be for for next season..." all nice, positive and non-committal. I won't take anyone as guaranteed until the window shuts, I remember Duff

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probably as he packed his suitcase and googled house prices in West London.

Who would want someone who clearly doesn't want them?

It's like marrying this gorgeous bird, more by good luck than good management, then getting the sack at work, at which point she says "Ideally I want somebody in a job , but if I can't find anybody within a couple of weeks, you can carry on filling in ~ until a better option becomes available."

NUFC is his, at least, fall-back position. Why are they so happy? Deluded and besotted. A marriage made in heaven ~ for Wor Rafa. can't lose.

Would you accuse us of delusion if we didn't think there were better options out there? If Southampton came in for him I doubt we'd be surprised to see him go, gutted yes, but not surprised. But where would he go? He won't get any of the top jobs, Everton is available but he wouldn't be welcome there, Watford is risky given their owner's eagerness to swing the axe...

Personally, I wouldn't say his caution is because he's waiting for a better offer, I'd say it's because he's weighing up the offer on the table. Ashley has fucked managers over before. Newcastle is a complex problem and potentially too broken to fix without a degree of investment that Ashley is unwilling to commit to. It's not straightforward. Benitez has said that his heart says stay, but he has to use his head. If we'd stayed up I'd say he would have already signed on the dotted line, but managing in the Championship is risky.

 

[WackyJackyO]

But, but, but.....has he sined yet?

 

[lurker]

But, but, but.....has he sined yet?

Stepped aside...

 

[rentaghost]

We were set up to take 3 points from each of you, Villa and Norwich. Inasmuch as Benitez's cautious approach permits. But bear in mind we haven't the confident players to go gung-ho, or the clinical striker to adopt a more selective approach and we have a porous defence. You were his first home game, his 2nd game with the squad and it's a derby.

Norwich came a next, it was his 3rd game, he'd just lost his then 1st choice 'keeper leaving us down to our 3rd stopped for the rest of the season. It was a mental game that swung between both sides just as the reverse fixture had, the only difference being we were away and 1/2 our team don't turn up for those games. Conceded just before both halves finished and Robert's your mother's brother.

I think you also have to take into account everything that goes with the situation. Newcastle fans aren't delighted with the possible long-term appointment Rafa because he failed to keep us up. It's because of what came before him and what came before that and before that. It's because of where a manager of his caliber can take us. Given the time and the support (and a bit of luck) he can get us comfortably mid-table, he has that level of ability. It's also because in 10 games we saw a team emerge from a set of gutless individuals bereft of organisation, of confidence and of a sense of identity. It's been repeated ad infinitum but it does bear repeating, had Rafa been appointed earlier I firmly believe we'd have stayed up.

Haway man. One one hand Rafa gets loads of praise for the points at Liverpool and against City etc but his poor results are just flatbatted away as the players fault or its not his fault that we are 'shit away'. If you can thrash the pants off Spurs playing attacking, exciting football then you can go away to villa and do the same and would have done if you had a good go. You have every right to be delighted with the possible appointment of rafa but you can do that without making excuses for him on failing to win key games.

 

[WackyJackyO]

Personally, I wouldn't say his caution is because he's waiting for a better offer, I'd say it's because he's weighing up the offer on the table

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