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Rafael Benítez

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We are kidding ourselves to think that the Mags will not walk that league next year. The quality is shit and if they keep half their decent players they will be promoted easily.
Just enjoy this time while it lasts and look forward to taking 6 points off them when they return.
Hmm, let me see. They've recently already played 2 sides they're going to play next season in the Championship, Villa and the Canaries. How did they do against them this season? Seems a reasonable place to start forecasting what they're going to do next year.
 

I haven't said he isn't a good manager. Maybe I'm saying he isn't as good as he's made out to be. Could it be he takes over very good teams based on his reputation, wins a cup with said good team, then gets sacked later on when their form tails off? Then he gets appointed boss of another good team, rinse and repeat until he ends up relegating Newcastle.
:lol:

He's not in the absolute elite, he's nowhere near Klopp or Mourinho or Guardiola etc. but he's a huge huge step up for us. We haven't even had a decent bottom half of the Premier League level manager and Rafa is, in my (obviously slightly biased but trying very hard to be reasonable) opinion, a Europa League standard manager*? The majority of his trophy wins have come at clubs where he's, at the very least, been there a full season including preseason, so they are to all intents and purposes, his iteration of that club.

A decent number of his expulsions have come at clubs renowned for being batshit; Real Madrid, Chelsea, Inter,


*this is in no way suggesting that he definitely will achieve that at Newcastle United, just an arbitrary marker I've used to pigeonhole managers.
 
We haven't even had a decent bottom half of the Premier League level manager and Rafa is, in my (obviously slightly biased but trying very hard to be reasonable) opinion, a Europa League standard manager*?
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Big Sam, Pardew? Fuck off man :lol::lol:
 
Not getting stuffed and picking up the idd draw away from home they won't.

2 of the sides they played away and picked up only 1 point under Benitez are still in the same league.

If he addresses their lack of leadership and bottle they might win the league.

Norwich will be their biggest threat I'd imagine.
Villa looks like a massive rebuilding job.

You'd imagine Benitez will remove a bit deadwood and recruit well for that league.
 
:lol:

He's not in the absolute elite, he's nowhere near Klopp or Mourinho or Guardiola etc. but he's a huge huge step up for us. We haven't even had a decent bottom half of the Premier League level manager and Rafa is, in my (obviously slightly biased but trying very hard to be reasonable) opinion, a Europa League standard manager*? The majority of his trophy wins have come at clubs where he's, at the very least, been there a full season including preseason, so they are to all intents and purposes, his iteration of that club.

A decent number of his expulsions have come at clubs renowned for being batshit; Real Madrid, Chelsea, Inter,


*this is in no way suggesting that he definitely will achieve that at Newcastle United, just an arbitrary marker I've used to pigeonhole managers.

Do you think he is what Newcastle need in their current position?
 
why two weeks? he signed the three year deal when he joined, why does he need two weeks? I'm guessing that's the date the break clause expires

I'm betting it's NUFC leaking all the positive stuff; so they can paint Rafa when he turns them down
 
Probably gonna walk the reserve league next season anarl:

"At Liverpool, Benitez took a two-pronged approach and he would surely opt to do the same at Newcastle.

While he wanted to improve the first XI, he was also intent on improving the quality of the reserves, bringing in 16 to 20 years who could push the senior squad.

“We are building for the future here,” Macia said of Benitez’s early approach.

“We’ve brought in a lot of young players in the last few years. Guys who are 16, 17, 18 years old and they all have the mentality we want. That’s why they won the reserve league last season.”



:lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
Based on the fact that they have some decent players who were hopelessly mismanaged this season , the fact that financially they are miles ahead of the rest of the championship and finally the fact that the teams in the championship are not very good.
Ah whey, may as well be given the Championship trophy now in that case.

They're definitely going into the season with the same squad, aye?
 
Hmm, let me see. They've recently already played 2 sides they're going to play next season in the Championship, Villa and the Canaries. How did they do against them this season? Seems a reasonable place to start forecasting what they're going to do next year.
I bet you're not putting a wager on them failing to be promoted.
Look like all Sunderland fans I'm loving their demise but to say that they will struggle to get back up is as delusional as them idiots talking about Europe again.
Yes other big clubs have gone down but they were usually in turmoil. The mags are a fairly well run club off the field and have a multi billionaire owner who can simply buy his way up if he chooses.
 
The mags are a fairly well run club off the field , have a multi billionaire owner who can simply buy his way up if he chooses.
Like Derby have just done? Oh, hang on a minute......

(best avatar on the SMB, btw, yours, not mine)
 
We are kidding ourselves to think that the Mags will not walk that league next year. The quality is shit and if they keep half their decent players they will be promoted easily.
Just enjoy this time while it lasts and look forward to taking 6 points off them when they return.

Exactly, and we have the nerve to call them deluded :confused:
 
Like Derby have just done? Oh, hang on a minute......

(best avatar on the SMB, btw, yours, not mine)
That avatar probably encapsulates their whole season and the current dominance we seem to have over them.
Love it !

That avatar probably encapsulates their whole season and the current dominance we seem to have over them.
Love it !
Reminds me of Ali standing above Liston.
I can hear Ali now. " Get up you ginger piss biscuit some I can whip you some more"
 
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Big Sam, Pardew? Fuck off man :lol::lol:
Allardyce is a fair point actually. I know it'll never be admitted on here, but Pardew is a charlatan and will be found out by the wider world soon enough.

Do you think he is what Newcastle need in their current position?
It's complicated.

Benitez has no experience of the Championship and doesn't have a record of long term projects. He's suspect in the transfer market and favours a cautious approach which works in knock-out competitions and some foreign leagues but how will it fair in the knockabout 2nd tier of English football? Hard to say.

All that said, he's clearly a good manager, and definitely of a strata we'd not attract for quite some time. Nobody thought we'd get him to join in the first place, everyone thought he'd 100% go if we went down and many thought he'd go even if he had kept us up. He's proven that he can get teams promoted. He's got a reputation in the world (bar sunderland and Everton it seems ;) )that will attract players to join a club in the 2nd tier that may have not fancied a year out of the top flight. His cautious approach isn't so dissimilar from the style that Hughton used to stroll through the Championship last time.

End of the day we'd be f***ing stupid not to try and convince a manager of his ability and standing to stay. Unfortunately, Lee Charnley is f***ing stupid, otherwise we'd have never appointed McClaren or at least brought Benitez is earlier.
 
Probably gonna walk the reserve league next season anarl:

"At Liverpool, Benitez took a two-pronged approach and he would surely opt to do the same at Newcastle.

While he wanted to improve the first XI, he was also intent on improving the quality of the reserves, bringing in 16 to 20 years who could push the senior squad.

“We are building for the future here,” Macia said of Benitez’s early approach.

“We’ve brought in a lot of young players in the last few years. Guys who are 16, 17, 18 years old and they all have the mentality we want. That’s why they won the reserve league last season.”



:lol::lol::lol::lol:
"Newcastle arrived at a crossroads after relegation was confirmed on Wednesday and so far, it looks has chosen the right route.

His initial conversation with Benitez cut through the uncertainty about Newcastle’s position: he was prepared to rip up the flawed model and hand Benitez the keys to the castle. It was as positive as Benitez or any Newcastle fan could have wished for."

So why hasn't he sined yet?
 
:lol:

He's not in the absolute elite, he's nowhere near Klopp or Mourinho or Guardiola etc. but he's a huge huge step up for us. We haven't even had a decent bottom half of the Premier League level manager and Rafa is, in my (obviously slightly biased but trying very hard to be reasonable) opinion, a Europa League standard manager*? The majority of his trophy wins have come at clubs where he's, at the very least, been there a full season including preseason, so they are to all intents and purposes, his iteration of that club.

A decent number of his expulsions have come at clubs renowned for being batshit; Real Madrid, Chelsea, Inter,


*this is in no way suggesting that he definitely will achieve that at Newcastle United, just an arbitrary marker I've used to pigeonhole managers.

Not far off right about where Benitez is. He is a blindingly obvious upgrade on Tufty, ( even if it only means the players can't hide behind the "Maclaren is shite" headlines) , and better than some of the other names bandied about. But he did get booted out a few times, although Madrid and Chelski are not the best barometers of a club's judgement.

What he has not done in a long time is actually build a team from a low start. We'll see, he'll almost certainly get you up, but the rest is less certain. If I have a reservation about him it is his innate caution. By and large his team's do not go out and sieze the initiative.

You could almost certainly get up with Neil Warnock. The worth of the deal for Benitez will only be known after promotion and a year up.
 
Allardyce is a fair point actually. I know it'll never be admitted on here, but Pardew is a charlatan and will be found out by the wider world soon enough.


It's complicated.

Benitez has no experience of the Championship and doesn't have a record of long term projects. He's suspect in the transfer market and favours a cautious approach which works in knock-out competitions and some foreign leagues but how will it fair in the knockabout 2nd tier of English football? Hard to say.

All that said, he's clearly a good manager, and definitely of a strata we'd not attract for quite some time. Nobody thought we'd get him to join in the first place, everyone thought he'd 100% go if we went down and many thought he'd go even if he had kept us up. He's proven that he can get teams promoted. He's got a reputation in the world (bar sunderland and Everton it seems ;) )that will attract players to join a club in the 2nd tier that may have not fancied a year out of the top flight. His cautious approach isn't so dissimilar from the style that Hughton used to stroll through the Championship last time.

End of the day we'd be f***ing stupid not to try and convince a manager of his ability and standing to stay. Unfortunately, Lee Charnley is f***ing stupid, otherwise we'd have never appointed McClaren or at least brought Benitez is earlier.

Serious question here,

If Warnock or Pearson had took over instead of Rafa and had the exact same results....would there be bedsheets and hysteria on trying to keep them?
 
Not far off right about where Benitez is. He is a blindingly obvious upgrade on Tufty, ( even if it only means the players can't hide behind the "Maclaren is shite" headlines) , and better than some of the other names bandied about. But he did get booted out a few times, although Madrid and Chelski are not the best barometers of a club's judgement.

What he has not done in a long time is actually build a team from a low start. We'll see, he'll almost certainly get you up, but the rest is less certain. If I have a reservation about him it is his innate caution. By and large his team's do not go out and sieze the initiative.

You could almost certainly get up with Neil Warnock. The worth of the deal for Benitez will only be known after promotion and a year up.
I think Harvey Price should be able to get us up :lol:

If Rafa says no, I wouldn't have a problem appointing someone who would guarantee us promotion, like Warnock/Bruce/Whoever, as long as the club has plans to replace them once promotion is secured.
 
"Newcastle arrived at a crossroads after relegation was confirmed on Wednesday and so far, it looks has chosen the right route.

His initial conversation with Benitez cut through the uncertainty about Newcastle’s position: he was prepared to rip up the flawed model and hand Benitez the keys to the castle. It was as positive as Benitez or any Newcastle fan could have wished for."

So why hasn't he sined yet?

signed
 
Serious question here,

If Warnock or Pearson had took over instead of Rafa and had the exact same results....would there be bedsheets and hysteria on trying to keep them?
No, I don't think there would. But that's because they're not of the same standard as Rafa. If it was de Boer or Koeman, for example, who'd been brought in as a last ditch attempt to keep us up and had the same impact on the atmosphere around the club as Rafa has, I think there would have been the same outpouring of warmth towards them.

I think if Warnock had come in and kept us up, we'd love him for it, but would want someone with a better record in the Premier League next season. That might seem deluded or whatever, but ask yourself, if shit had gone south under Sam and Warnock had been brought in to save you, would you necessarily trust him to take you out of the relegation worries as you do Allardyce?
 
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