Racism at Yorkshire CCC

[Parkside]

The Leeds test will go ahead regardless and the profits from it will be swallowed up by the legal fees and wrongful dismissal costs that this shambles has incurred.

That's another fine mess they've got themselves in to.

 

[Silly Point]

I would guess that they think they can win any case of wrongful dismissal, or the benefits of keeping the internationals outweigh the negatives of any legal obligations brought about by those dismissed

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

I know you don’t agree with me on this, but I found the DCMS an uncomfortable thing like. A show trial without the possibility to defend yourself, where nothing went challenged

You’ll apply thats me defending racism, I promise you its not at all, but it sidetracked from the real issue and as a result I don’t think you’ll get meaningful reform

Instead you just got sack all the staff, which was never going to work or be a sensible solution

Now you just get the likes of gale lawyering up.

For me that hearing shouldn’t have been held.

I get your point, but they had plenty of time to address the allegations before it got to that point. They didn’t

 

[The Rat]

I get your point, but they had plenty of time to address the allegations before it got to that point. They didn’t

The ECB were investigating Yorkshire’s investigation at the time

That should have been allowed to carry out

I honestly think that dcms hearing was a total farce, they always are. In my opinion anyway.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

The ECB were investigating Yorkshire’s investigation at the time

That should have been allowed to carry out

I honestly think that dcms hearing was a total farce, they always are. In my opinion anyway.

It took well over a year to even get it started

 

[wayne entwhistle no9]

The problem "old" Yorkshire have is Graves is leading the fightback that gives them zero credibility outside of the county dinasours.

 

[Salem Street South]

I get your point, but they had plenty of time to address the allegations before it got to that point. They didn’t

You're right but the problem there is that as Smith says, and I quote: "I found it odd, and unsettling, that you expressed your own judgement on this subject publicly on television before the first hearing of the DCMS select committee which you were to chair," Smith wrote. "You had demonstrably made up your mind before Azeem Rafiq had given his evidence and this badly undermined my confidence in the whole process."

Unfortunately, to me, it had an air of a kangaroo court, with a predetermined outcome and a star witness who has been proven to be unreliable:- which in no way excuses racism or racist behaviour and, given the seriousness of the situation, is deeply unsatisfactory, but it does go some way to explaining why they may have been reluctant to appear at the hearing and present their side of the argument.

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

You're right but the problem there is that as Smith says, and I quote: "I found it odd, and unsettling, that you expressed your own judgement on this subject publicly on television before the first hearing of the DCMS select committee which you were to chair," Smith wrote. "You had demonstrably made up your mind before Azeem Rafiq had given his evidence and this badly undermined my confidence in the whole process."

Unfortunately, to me, it had an air of a kangaroo court, with a predetermined outcome and a star witness who has been proven to be unreliable:- which in no way excuses racism or racist behaviour and, given the seriousness of the situation, is deeply unsatisfactory, but it does go some way to explaining why they may have been reluctant to appear at the hearing and present their side of the argument.

I do wonder how long it would have been ignored without

 

[The Rat]

It took well over a year to even get it started

You are right aye but an independent panel including leading Asians made conclusions

It was up to the ecb to decide if it was thorough and if their conclusions were right

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

You are right aye but an independent panel including leading Asians made conclusions

It was up to the ecb to decide if it was thorough and if their conclusions were right

Why? Why is the outcome not the most important?

Why shouldn’t a farce of an enquiry be publicised?

 

[The Rat]

Why? Why is the outcome not the most important?

Why shouldn’t a farce of an enquiry be publicised?

Well the outcome isn’t the same as what Rafiq claimed in the dcms that’s the point

The panel who conducted this was pretty credible when you look at who was on it

My point being that every thing said in the dcms is now seen as the gospel truth when the inquiry didn’t find that

I mean don’t you see the contradiction in that?

If you think the inquiry was nonsense fair enough but ecb should have been allowed ti decide that

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

Well the outcome isn’t the same as what Rafiq claimed in the dcms that’s the point

The panel who conducted this was pretty credible when you look at who was on it

My point being that every thing said in the dcms is now seen as the gospel truth when the inquiry didn’t find that

I mean don’t you see the contradiction in that?

If you think the inquiry was nonsense fair enough but ecb should have been allowed ti decide that

I do. Sadly, the ECB received nothing for over a year.

 

[The Rat]

I do. Sadly, the ECB received nothing for over a year.

Fair enough it’s worth looking at who was on the panel though, I don’t see a credible reason why they would be biased or anything

A good example is Bresnan who Rafiq was allowed to name and Shame publicly, I’m Led believe nothing on that inquiry however found that to be true. And warwickshire Conducted their own after and found no action was needed

That for me sits very very uncomfortably with me that someone can have their reputation publicly tarnished without a reply

That’s just one example.

I’m not taking sides either btw I just fully believe in a process and I accept Yorkshire reacted terribly but the ECB were fully investigating it while the dcms heading was hel d. After that it was just a pile on and mob mentality
The point being that helps nobody including Rafiq

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

Fair enough it’s worth looking at who was on the panel though, I don’t see a credible reason why they would be biased or anything

A good example is Bresnan who Rafiq was allowed to name and Shame publicly, I’m Led believe nothing on that inquiry however found that to be true. And warwickshire Conducted their own after and found no action was needed

That for me sits very very uncomfortably with me that someone can have their reputation publicly tarnished without a reply

That’s just one example.

I’m not taking sides either btw I just fully believe in a process and I accept Yorkshire reacted terribly but the ECB were fully investigating it while the dcms heading was hel d. After that it was just a pile on and mob mentality
The point being that helps nobody including Rafiq

I agree with what you’re saying. I found Rafiq incredibly credible when he spoke, I believed him.

So I don’t trust the process

 

[Johnap]

This is pure elitism from Graves and Smith.

Smith was quoted saying about strangers taking over the club. Closed shop, old school tie, Up School attitude.

 

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[Silly Point]

Just come across an invitation to vote (although too late) and an invitation to the actual EGM tomorrow while checking an old email account that I rarely use, so it seems as though last year's members were indeed eligible even if they didn't renew.

I'm now weighing up whether to hot foot it across town in rush hour to try and get to Headingley for 6pm and watch it all unfold, popcorn in hand.

 

[brandon]

Just come across an invitation to vote (although too late) and an invitation to the actual EGM tomorrow while checking an old email account that I rarely use, so it seems as though last year's members were indeed eligible even if they didn't renew.

I'm now weighing up whether to hot foot it across town in rush hour to try and get to Headingley for 6pm and watch it all unfold, popcorn in hand.

Did you make it?

 

[Silly Point]

Did you make it?

It's 6pm mate. Not sure I'll bother with the weather unfortunately
Patel has been voted in unanimously apparently. They'll forget all about it all now no doubt.

 

[Parkside]

All 3 proposals at EGM carried overwhelmingly and test cricket continues at cricket.