GordonMuchallNo1Fan
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It's still an allegation
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Racism at Yorkshire CCC
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rentaghost
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3 persons of colour insist the white man said it and you are clearly dubious.
Bresnan a white man who has apologised for his part you choose to believe his version rather than the version of the person of colour.
Robinson a white man you defended vigorously over historic racist tweets yet you are less supportive of the person of colour despite completing an almost identical offence.
And then you blame people for using the race card.
GordonMuchallNo1Fan
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Where have I said I am dubious?
I am merely stating it remains an allegation.
The Bresnan racism stuff again is an allegation, my personal opinion is I believe Bresnan but again it's an allegation.
I have defended Rafiq on a lot of the stuff and I have absolutely hammered the ECB and Yorkshire. When he is singling people like Vaughan/Hales/Bresnan out, they're all allegations whether you like it or not.
You seem absolutely obsessed in playing the race card.
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palm 1
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Interesting new tactic this . Just because someone doesn’t live their life on here and joins the discussion late , it doesn’t necessarily mean they are a racist as you are so subtly trying to indicate .
Alex Salmond had 10 people making allegations against him yet the court didn’t accept them to be true
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GordonMuchallNo1Fan
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Good example
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Deleted member 43869
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Trying to square this one. I'd hazard that for whatever reason Shahzad was liked by his peers but Rafiq wasn't. The racism was then used as a tool to bring Rafiq down and 'put him in his place'.
rentaghost
Striker
It’s an old article. I wonder if he would say the same now after the admissions of Hoggard, Bresnan, Ballance etc. Shahzad is starting out on a new career perhaps he chose the path if least resistance? Also as you say he just may have been more liked and didn’t get abuse himself.
Or perhaps he chose to speak what he feels is the truth, as a result of his work and life experience.
Who are you to cast doubt on what he’s saying anyway, just because it doesn’t fit your agenda?
rentaghost
Striker
What agenda? That Rafiq was racially abused for years in the workplace and nothing was done by YCCC to prevent it as supported by the likes of Hoggard, Bresnan, Ballance, etc. I actually thought you didn’t disagree with any of that which means my agenda is your agenda.
I don’t disagree with that.
But you’re putting an alternative perspective on Shazhad’s testimony when it’s clear, powerful and persuasive, yet you’re not allowing anyone do the same with Rafiq, to the point you abuse them and call them racist.
That looks like an agenda to me and a clear double standard.
Mackem DJ
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Agree. Deffo seems to have been the case. I believe Rafiq was a bit of a bad egg and difficult person and as a result, coped a load of racism. Which obviously isn’t acceptable but it’s important to understand the whole backdrop to such a complex case.
rentaghost
Striker
No it isn’t. I believe Rafiqs testimony and it has the apologies from Hoggard, Bresnan, Brooks, Ballance, Lloyd and support from Rana Naveed and Rashid over aspects of it. For a testimony it’s pretty much rock solid. I’m happy enough to express my opinion that Joe Root is lying when he says he has seen or heard nothing giving his closeness to roommate Gary Ballance and I’m be also happy to question the motives if Shahzad expressing those views 7 months ago. They are my opinions nothing more. I am also happy to call anyone out as a racist who spends their time in here whose only posts are to discredit the man of colour who has been a victim at the hands of white cricketers, commentators abd administrators. They are racists.
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Right, and your narrative that we must not question what Rafiq says, and doing so renders you a racist, is wrong and I'm happy to "call you out" on it.
Not only is it wrong, it’s dangerous.
It looks like double standards to me and you make your agenda clear when you choose to cast aspersions on Shazhad's experiences, rather than believe him.
maghater
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Gammons: it's one person's word against another
Also gammons: it's one person's word against three others
How many people have to have witnessed this shit for people to accept it happened?
Ten out of ten for using the word gammon in a thread supporting a muslim making comments about a Jew
pavarotti1980
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. Isn't that a little bit offensive to basically lump anyone non-white into a single category without taking account of their background?
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Mackem DJ
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I struggle to keep track of what offends and doesnt. Wasnt it very taboo to call anyone “coloured” at one point ?
of colour might be okay. Not sure
pavarotti1980
Striker
I think its still very taboo. But saying an Asian man is no different to an afro-american man in terms of race using this description is pretty offensive to both groups.
Tadger
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That’s a bit black and white, if you’ll pardon the expression.
rentaghost
Striker
Who’s cast aspersions on Rafiqs versions if events like? I’m not sure I’ve seen anyone maybe one or two. What I have seen is people make no comments at all on Rafiqs, no sympathy for his horrendous experiences, no comment whatsoever and then leap onto this thread from 5pm last Thursday to mock and to focus on his failings only. They are racists. If someone is defending Oli Robinson to the hilt over historic tweets as a 19 year old but not taking the same stance over Rafiq then you have to wonder why? It’s a thread on race and like every thread on race that appears anywhere it attracts racists and this one is no different. It’s not dangerous to call people out and it also not unreasonable to question why Shazhad and Root who have travelled on team buses and been in training sessions are claiming to have seen and heard nothing when Rafiq, Ballance, Brooks, Bresnan, Higgard are more than happy to say that it happened. it’s dangerous not to. If you want to defend what you have seen on here and focus on my posts then fill your boots.
