Mackem DJ
Striker
Why do white people often take offence on behalf of BAME people?
do you really think Les Ferdinand would have been arsed back in 1994?
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Racism at Yorkshire CCC
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do you really think Les Ferdinand would have been arsed back in 1994?
Chatty83
Winger
The blackface thing is a bit weird. The minstrel shows etc were massively racist. I'm not sure if dressing up as Bob Marley for example is racist, it's not accepted anymore but I don't think it can be really perceived as racist if you're not doing it to look down on a race as if yours is superior.
Doesn't really fall into that bracket imo. I mean I wouldn't do it myself but I wouldn't think someone was necessarily racist if they dressed up as a black person in a manner that wasn't meant to mock them. Guess it comes down to context, I wouldn't advise anyone to do it.
Doesn't really fall into that bracket imo. I mean I wouldn't do it myself but I wouldn't think someone was necessarily racist if they dressed up as a black person in a manner that wasn't meant to mock them. Guess it comes down to context, I wouldn't advise anyone to do it.
rentaghost
Striker
Yes definitely
White people need to take a stand on behalf of people of colour. We have a deep rooted history of racism and inequality because they haven’t.
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Mackem DJ
Striker
Really? I doubt it. Now yes. Then no. But anyways….
I’d be honoured if a blackman loved me enough to dress up as me and chalk his face up. Would that be racist?
I’m guessing so.
rentaghost
Striker
I’m guessing so too. I’ve enjoyed a lot of your contributions in this thread tbf but don’t get your issues with white peoples supporting people of colour against racism and inequality which they undoubtedly face.
vinegar hill
Striker
Who hasn't?
rentaghost
Striker
True but I’m not sure of your point. You either work to make it better or you don’t.
GordonMuchallNo1Fan
Striker
On the flip side Stan Collymore was all for it with us Hartlepool fans when we went as Bob Marley for fancy dress at Carlisle, he was livid we got stopped from "blacking up".
I personally don't see the issue with it and fully agreed with Collymore at the time and remain in that view today, it was never intended to be racist.
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vinegar hill
Striker
You said that they haven't a history of racism and inequality, there's more racism and inequality on the sub continent than there is here.
Mackem DJ
Striker
Of course support them but downright getting offended on their behalf about something that isnt blatant full blown intended racism is just odd. You often see it in debates about homosexuality, sexism, discrimination etc. One group of people getting outraged on behalf of another.
Can’t have it me.
Visiting owl
Winger
Didn't seem to do that Canadian leader Justin Trudeau much harm though did it.?
But I guess he sits on the left side of the fence, so it's quietly swept under the carpet.
Mackem DJ
Striker
He isnt the most consistent on stuff like this tbf, Stan.
GordonMuchallNo1Fan
Striker
He isn't but I remember at the time he was very much in support of the Hartlepool fans but sadly those offended got their own way. Always remember speaking to stewards at Carlisle that day and they said nobody had an issue with it internally but certain external bodies were making noises and the club decided to air on the side of caution to avoid hassle.
It was absolutely ridiculous to suggest this fancy dress day was ever intended to be racist. Incredibly frustrating to be honest
I was in B&M the other day and was surprised to see "Black Jacks" on sale, given the way the country is today with such things. (I'm not offended by the word by the way but you know....)
Mackem DJ
Striker
isn’t he uber woke though and alert to all things unjust and offensive and non politically correct in society. Hence he really should have known better if he was true to living his life to sky high morals.
rentaghost
Striker
We are all one group of people tbf. Getting outraged on behalf of the bad treatment of other people is good humane stuff imo. Anyway we ain’t going to solve it here!
mackembhoy
Striker
It was going so well until the anti Semitic stuff came out.
The mental thing about all these salviating over it will have used worse tropes in banter conversations well after they were teenagers.
Just like they were angry Robinson was facing any punishment for his comments as a a teenager.
Now their questioning hypocrisy of Rafiq. It's all very f***ing predictable
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rentaghost
Striker
I have to be honest I am not sure if the percentage of whites that live in the sub continent and the racism they envciunter, the lack of managerial positions, whether they have stop and search and single out whites etc. Either way there’s not that much we can do to address those issues but we can get our own house in order to address racism and inequality here rather than excuse it through whataboutery.
sonson
Striker
Les Ferdindand who was the face of the first ever anti racism in football campaign in 1995? Would he have been bothered by blackface? Aye mate, he would.
And it's not "taking offence on behalf of". It's impossible for me to be offended over an issue related to being black. I'm not black. I can't be offended over something that dosent apply to me.
What it is though mate is empathy. The empathy of responding to fellow human beings explaining how racism affects them, and the empathy to respond to their requests for white people to call it out and stand in solidarity against it rather than accepting it and letting it go on.
And? If something bad happens somewhere else does it mean it's OK to do it here?
If someone you knows has a beravement, do you say "oh well they would have had a shorter life if they lived in India" or some such contrived bollocks?
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Weren’t you still a Sunderland fan in 2015?
Mackem DJ
Striker
I get some of that. So okay, someones used an example that Stan Collymore who is black, wasnt personally offended by people blacking up as Bob Marley.
do you feel comfertable telling him he is wrong and needs to be offended on behalf of his fellow race?
