Put a flat earthier into space

[legend7]

Not at all. I don't represent any disc world.

Actually, I said 11 to 7, I think.
Why did I do that?
To try alterations to the landmass to see a better fit against what's on offer for a globe.
Do I know them to be true or accurate? Of course not and so do you.
But you also do not know if your globe is accurate because you have no clue if you are honest.

11 to 7 is the same as 12 to 8 but never mind.
But you now say you have no idea of any distances so how did you draw a map or come to the conclusion of 11 and 7.
Why say you could produce a map if you now say you don't know any distances.
How can you do this if you don't know any distances?

 

[SYB_DC]

Don't worry too much about a bucket ort a bath. I mean both will offer you a level but biog lakes, ponds and the actual ocean will offer you a much simpler observation of water finding its level and not running off any convex curvature.

Ah, those nice still oceans, which definitely don't have any currents or anything.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Except pretty much everything you just said is wrong.

What's wrong?

For a start, no I am not a cartographer and I have not mapped the globe.

I obviously knew that.

Don't be silly. You can't expect everyone to do that.

If you're going to argue for it being accurate then you need backup, not just a setup designed to offer something which you cannot attest to being accurate.

The questions are, and the same as anything put forward is do we believe it and can we verify at least bits of it?

No, it's not. Verifying a map of Sunderland would not be verifying a map of a supposed globe. You either know or you don't know and accepting your reliance is based on acceptance of what you're told, rather than what you can verify, on the whole.

By traveling the world and making astronomical observations I have a lot of evidence the world is a globe.

Evidence? Such as what?
Based on your traveling the world tell me what you found out that proves your spinning globe.

We have talked about distances, particularly in the southern hemisphere. My travels in the southern hemisphere have left me in no doubt that the reported distances match distances in the northern hemisphere.

How in the hell did you manage that?

As described before, if you construct a model based on these well traveled and accepted distances, a globe is the only shape that works.

Absolutely not at all. Not even close.
The only reason why you're championing a globe is that it was put on a plate for you. Everything is done for you, you do not need to do anything other than accept it and use every argument based on that rigged-to-fit model.

I can go into great detail and construct such a world from available data if you like, but it is your turn.

Never mind it's my turn and you constructing an Earth based on available data will not be your own data.

Put up a working map and then we can see if your fantasy works.

There is no map I can offer as genuine and I'm just one person. You can't offer a genuine map and you have everything on hand for you, yet the best you could offer is what you've been conditioned to think is a real global map, which it absolutely is not. 100%.
Abd as for you not doing it until I do it. Forget it. If you don't want to do it then don't. I'm fine with that.

We both know it doesn't and remains a fantasy.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

Pours off thanks to your gravity when it suits and stays on as oceans due to your gravity.

Just imagine for a second...if gravity actually started to exist on your non existent world, do you think there'd be a difference between the pull of the ball and the pull of the entire Earth?

And... you're avoiding the point made about the amount of water involved. No matter that the water mostly pours off, the ball is still wet and scaled up to the size of the Earth would most likely be more wet.

Doh! I forgot, you don't quite get scale do you...

Honestly, it is amusing to think the story tellers managed to get us all with this and still have most following something that's totally illogical by the use of magic when it suits.

Honestly, it is amusing to think that in this day and age you're so anti-knowledge that you appear to delight in displays of your own ignorance and stupidity.

 

[DPTT]

Just tipped my Hong Kong phooey tea cup on its side and poured water over it and guess what @Nukehasslefan

It curved around the cup

Holy shit Batman

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

If you're going to argue for it being accurate then you need backup, not just a setup designed to offer something which you cannot attest to being accurate.

Backup like almost the entire population knowing where they live in relation to at least some of the rest of the world, known distances, regularly flown distances that require accurate fuel allowances, billions of collective miles of travel without any continent, country, city or town ever surprisingly not being where it should, ever! That sort of backup?

You either know or you don't know and accepting your reliance is based on acceptance of what you're told, rather than what you can verify, on the whole.

1

The only reason why you're championing a globe is that it was put on a plate for you.

2

Everything is done for you,

3

You can't offer a genuine map and you have everything on hand for you, yet the best you could offer is what you've been conditioned to think is a real global map, which it absolutely is not. 100%.

4

But it's not important eh? Just four times in one post.
Seems like it's pretty important to you when it suits.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

You can't. You made yours up.

I made mine up by doing experiments and putting my mind to work.

By knowing stuff. By understanding scale. By seeing and evaluating stuff.

So what have you seen to offer you facts as to what we're arguing?

Everyones a liar eh?

Not at all. Why would everyone need to lie?

And that is what it comes back to, your whole water level argument.

It has to always come back to that because that is one absolute major thing that absolutely proves beyond any doubt that the spinning global Earth is fictional.

I'll ask you again, is putting a spirit level in the bath your only experiment to test this idea that water is always perfectly flat?

Keep trying.

If not, how have you proven this, what experiment have you done?

Plenty.

I think he may have experimented with a hell of a lot of drugs tbh

No drugs here.

No it doesn’t, not with what you propose anyway without anything at all to back up with what you are saying.

Typing the words does not make it true

Show evidence, which you cannot

I keep saying this and this is why your typed words offer no global reality.
What I offer is my own musing and is not any demand for anyone to take it serious or do anything other than an attempt to ridicule it, which is all fine with me.

 

[legend7]

I made mine up by doing experiments and putting my mind to work.

So what experiments have you done, why won't you share any?
Do they really exist Nukey, do they?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Because it has been proven several times, by people smarter than me on this page and every respected scientist known to humankind.

What has been proven by people smarter than you?
Are you saying you simply rely on people on here who you deem smarter than you as some kind of proof?

Just because you arent intelligent enough to understand it doesnt make it wrong.

It doesn't make it right either.

Oh and im still waiting for evidence of the dome light show.

What evidence do you think you need?

Yet again, you dont understand scale.

Maybe you didn't take much notice.
No problem.

 

[DPTT]

I made mine up by doing experiments and putting my mind to work.

So what have you seen to offer you facts as to what we're arguing?

Not at all. Why would everyone need to lie?

It has to always come back to that because that is one absolute major thing that absolutely proves beyond any doubt that the spinning global Earth is fictional.

Keep trying.

Plenty.

No drugs here.

I keep saying this and this is why your typed words offer no global reality.
What I offer is my own musing and is not any demand for anyone to take it serious or do anything other than an attempt to ridicule it, which is all fine with me.

No you’ve said you have done experiments (not musings) to categorically state the earth is not a globe. At no point in this thread have you shared these experiments so we can carry them out ourselves and verify your claims.

You just empty words mate with zero substance

 

[DaveH]

What's wrong?

I obviously knew that.

If you're going to argue for it being accurate then you need backup, not just a setup designed to offer something which you cannot attest to being accurate.


No, it's not. Verifying a map of Sunderland would not be verifying a map of a supposed globe. You either know or you don't know and accepting your reliance is based on acceptance of what you're told, rather than what you can verify, on the whole.

Evidence? Such as what?
Based on your traveling the world tell me what you found out that proves your spinning globe.

How in the hell did you manage that?

Absolutely not at all. Not even close.
The only reason why you're championing a globe is that it was put on a plate for you. Everything is done for you, you do not need to do anything other than accept it and use every argument based on that rigged-to-fit model.


Never mind it's my turn and you constructing an Earth based on available data will not be your own data.

There is no map I can offer as genuine and I'm just one person. You can't offer a genuine map and you have everything on hand for you, yet the best you could offer is what you've been conditioned to think is a real global map, which it absolutely is not. 100%.
Abd as for you not doing it until I do it. Forget it. If you don't want to do it then don't. I'm fine with that.

I can construct a working map based on accepted distances alone. We could pick say 50 world cities and for each one find the distance to it's 5 nearest neighbours. You can try to plot them on a 2d map and as long as I'm the only one not doing work, I can put them into something without dimensional constraints and see what comes out. I'll not specifically try to put them into a globe and will feed it into software which will just find the best fit of lengths and interconnected nodes. But do to that will take a good few hours and if you are not going to do the same and then inevitably just come back with "nah bollocks" then it is a waste of my time.

So perhaps we should do what you say in your last line, accept that there is no working 2d map of the world and accept that you can not point to a specific distance on the 3d world and say what is wrong with it, and leave it at that?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Bucket and bath were your suggestions (and basin).

Of course. Small to medium to large to mammoth. It's all the same. Water does not curve it simply conforms to the container it is in and finds a surface level.
It really is as simple as that.
It does not form any level on a ball or a globe or whatever you want to believe your Earth is in terms of spherical.

Whilst not answering my question you have provided examples that do show curvature. This was tested on Netflix's Flat Earth documentary and proved the curve.

And you are obviously welcome to go with that but to be fair you didn't need that, you already knew it without any of that, didn't you?
Spinning over 1000 mph one minute and so slowly as not to be classed as mph but one rotation in 24 hours the next and so on. Anything to suit the argument and think it's a get-out clause.

 

[DaveH]

I made mine up by doing experiments and putting my mind to work.

So what have you seen to offer you facts as to what we're arguing?

Not at all. Why would everyone need to lie?

It has to always come back to that because that is one absolute major thing that absolutely proves beyond any doubt that the spinning global Earth is fictional.

Keep trying.

Plenty.

No drugs here.

I keep saying this and this is why your typed words offer no global reality.
What I offer is my own musing and is not any demand for anyone to take it serious or do anything other than an attempt to ridicule it, which is all fine with me.

So again you say you have done plenty of experiments but refuse to give details. "Keep trying" seems to be your stuck response. I don't even know what you want me to keep trying.

You have no experiment that you can share that proves the world is not a globe. Can you prove otherwise?

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

I made mine up by doing experiments and putting my mind to work.

Show us the experiments or they didn't happen. You have no evidence to back up your made up version of reality. All you have is an extreme distrust of anything already proven.

So what have you seen to offer you facts as to what we're arguing?

You should read this very thread, it's been discussed many times

Not at all. Why would everyone need to lie?

To keep up the non-existent pretence you're insisting on. I know you keep saying they don't all need to know they're lying and if we were talking about a company, maybe even a government department fair enough, but we're talking about the entire world and everyone in it now and for several thousand years.

It has to always come back to that because that is one absolute major thing that absolutely proves beyond any doubt that the spinning global Earth is fictional.

And no matter how many times you come back to it, it fails you. Water curves.

What I offer is my own musing and is not any demand for anyone to take it serious

well that's fortunate.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

11 to 7 is the same as 12 to 8 but never mind.

I bet you got many a smack when you were a kid for staying out and using that excuse, eh?

But you now say you have no idea of any distances so how did you draw a map or come to the conclusion of 11 and 7.

Let me clarify.
I personally do not know the distances oversea or over entire countries. I may know distances over certain land I've traveled by car and such but that's as far as it goes in terms of personal knowledge of reality.
The rest is a reliance on many things, some of which I can accept and some of which I cannot.
You are in the very same position except you are arguing from a mass opinion point of view and you use it as your fact when you clearly know you cannot prove much of what you're saying.

Why say you could produce a map if you now say you don't know any distances.

You asked me to produce a few points with cities. I told you I could not do it based on a globe and the southern hemisphere fiction.
You went on and on so I threw one up in 15 minutes.

How can you do this if you don't know any distances?

How can anyone do any map without knowing the distances?

Ah, those nice still oceans, which definitely don't have any currents or anything.

Then don't concentrate on oceans. A nice lake or even a pond or your bath. It doesn't matter because water always finds its level and always conforms to the container it sits in.
What it does not do is sit level on a ba;ll and nor does it conform to the outside of a ball, all around it.

You're arguing for the unicorn and its horn.

 

[legend7]

I bet you got many a smack when you were a kid for staying out and using that excuse, eh?

Let me clarify.
I personally do not know the distances oversea or over entire countries. I may know distances over certain land I've traveled by car and such but that's as far as it goes in terms of personal knowledge of reality.
The rest is a reliance on many things, some of which I can accept and some of which I cannot.
You are in the very same position except you are arguing from a mass opinion point of view and you use it as your fact when you clearly know you cannot prove much of what you're saying.


You asked me to produce a few points with cities. I told you I could not do it based on a globe and the southern hemisphere fiction.
You went on and on so I threw one up in 15 minutes.


How can anyone do any map without knowing the distances?

Then don't concentrate on oceans. A nice lake or even a pond or your bath. It doesn't matter because water always finds its level and always conforms to the container it sits in.
What it does not do is sit level on a ba;ll and nor does it conform to the outside of a ball, all around it.

You're arguing for the unicorn and its horn.

So which distances do you accept. You said you accepted regularly flown ones then suddenly changed your mind.
You said known distances could work on a flat map as easily as they do on a globe, clearly that's not the case unless you can provide one?

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Just imagine for a second...if gravity actually started to exist on your non existent world, do you think there'd be a difference between the pull of the ball and the pull of the entire Earth?

There's no reality to pull. Everything is compression and expansion and you can't have compression without expansion which is the reason for compression.
Nothing can pull but we are offered push and pull in thought to make visual comparisons, that's all.

Compression is caused by the displacement of objects or even molecules or atoms if you want to go down that route for clarity.
Atmospheric compression against our push into it and displacement of it by our very own dense mass offers that compression of the atmosphere by displacement and the very same atmosphere displaced is compressing right back onto us and keeping out feet firmly on the ground.

Gravity is a magical mystery made up to keep a globe and space alive. It's utter nonsense.

And... you're avoiding the point made about the amount of water involved.

Any reasonable amount of water against atmospheric pressure will offer the same thing. Conformation to any container and a surface level.

No matter that the water mostly pours off, the ball is still wet and scaled up to the size of the Earth would most likely be more wet.

Of course, it's still wet. There's not enough water left to fully overcome the atmospheric pressure around the ball so it takes a lot longer for the much less dense mass of it to overcome the resistance of the atmospheric stack below and around.

Doh! I forgot, you don't quite get scale do you...

Make sure you keep adding this as others do and we can have a giggle and go from there.

Honestly, it is amusing to think that in this day and age you're so anti-knowledge that you appear to delight in displays of your own ignorance and stupidity.

I find it bemusing why so many people still think we live on a spinning globe but then I realise I was whacked with this and in this day and age we are saturated with space stuff and spinning globes, so it's not really that surprising.

Some people eventually take the time to question and once they do they see a different setup and cannot go back.

 

[Hend79]

Of course. Small to medium to large to mammoth. It's all the same. Water does not curve it simply conforms to the container it is in and finds a surface level.
It really is as simple as that.
It does not form any level on a ball or a globe or whatever you want to believe your Earth is in terms of spherical.

Yes it does

There's no reality to pull. Everything is compression and expansion and you can't have compression without expansion which is the reason for compression.
Nothing can pull but we are offered push and pull in thought to make visual comparisons, that's all.

Compression is caused by the displacement of objects or even molecules or atoms if you want to go down that route for clarity.
Atmospheric compression against our push into it and displacement of it by our very own dense mass offers that compression of the atmosphere by displacement and the very same atmosphere displaced is compressing right back onto us and keeping out feet firmly on the ground.

Gravity is a magical mystery made up to keep a globe and space alive. It's utter nonsense.


Any reasonable amount of water against atmospheric pressure will offer the same thing. Conformation to any container and a surface level.


Of course, it's still wet. There's not enough water left to fully overcome the atmospheric pressure around the ball so it takes a lot longer for the much less dense mass of it to overcome the resistance of the atmospheric stack below and around.


Make sure you keep adding this as others do and we can have a giggle and go from there.

I find it bemusing why so many people still think we live on a spinning globe but then I realise I was whacked with this and in this day and age we are saturated with space stuff and spinning globes, so it's not really that surprising.

Some people eventually take the time to question and once they do they see a different setup and cannot go back.

Absolute bollocks

 

[Pink Panther]

Of course. Small to medium to large to mammoth. It's all the same. Water does not curve it simply conforms to the container it is in and finds a surface level.
It really is as simple as that.
It does not form any level on a ball or a globe or whatever you want to believe your Earth is in terms of spherical.

And you are obviously welcome to go with that but to be fair you didn't need that, you already knew it without any of that, didn't you?
Spinning over 1000 mph one minute and so slowly as not to be classed as mph but one rotation in 24 hours the next and so on. Anything to suit the argument and think it's a get-out clause.

You're still not answering without stupidly being the major factor.
What results for your water test would you expect if the world was
a) flat
b) a globe?

The 1000mph part of your reply shows your total lack of understanding of the size of the world.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

There's no reality to pull. Everything is compression and expansion and you can't have compression without expansion which is the reason for compression.
Nothing can pull but we are offered push and pull in thought to make visual comparisons, that's all.

Ignored what I said and replied with made up shite

Compression is caused by the displacement of objects or even molecules or atoms if you want to go down that route for clarity.
Atmospheric compression against our push into it and displacement of it by our very own dense mass offers that compression of the atmosphere by displacement and the very same atmosphere displaced is compressing right back onto us and keeping out feet firmly on the ground.

More made up shite

Gravity is a magical mystery made up to keep a globe and space alive. It's utter nonsense.

As is that entire line

Any reasonable amount of water against atmospheric pressure will offer the same thing. Conformation to any container and a surface level.

Made up and nonsensical

Of course, it's still wet. There's not enough water left to fully overcome the atmospheric pressure around the ball so it takes a lot longer for the much less dense mass of it to overcome the resistance of the atmospheric stack below and around.

Nonsense

Make sure you keep adding this as others do and we can have a giggle and go from there.

It is a fact though

I find it bemusing why so many people still think we live on a spinning globe

Because you're an idiot

but then I realise I was whacked with this and in this day and age we are saturated with space stuff and spinning globes, so it's not really that surprising.

They tried to educate you, you refused

Some people eventually take the time to question and once they do they see a different setup and cannot go back.

and some people are just stupid.