Put a flat earthier into space

[DaveH]

The general go-to answer.

You accept it because you're told you live on one as do millions upon millions.

You haven't proved anything that works on a globe. You've provided what you've been told works on a globe. It's not something you can verify yourself, other than to use what you were given.

The map is already provided. It's used to navigate. It's a flat map passed off as a global map.

You're not too far off with that.

You're not too far off with that.

Amazing what thinking can do.

Ah, back to the insults of "you are just following what you are told, you can't think for yourself like me".

But again, past all that meaningless waffle three facts still remain:
1) Distances work perfectly on a globe
2) You have not been able to say what doesn't work on a globe, therefore you can't prove the distances do not work on a globe, further validating point 1
3) You are unable to provide a 2d disc map of your world, because it just doesn't work.

So I ask you again, can you provide a 2d disc map where the distances work?

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

Absolutely not because I don't believe it is a planet over 24,000 miles in circumference. I suppose you have no real idea either, to be fair.

Except that's size you're talking about now, not scale.

I think it's massively relevant but nobody wants to go down that route because it's basically damning for a supposed globe we are told we live upon, among many other damning things.

You think? Lets go there again then, because you're wrong and it wont help your cause.

Aye but the field of view offers nothing extra to this argument. In fact, it makes it even worse.

Go on.... in what way?

Diagrams would be amazing!

Tiny or massively exaggerated (diagram) it makes no difference. The tilt would always be there on the globe and that tilt kills off many things offered by global believers.

The tilt would always be there BECAUSE it's a globe. You're confused.

The angle will offer crisscross vision at pinpoint and as you argue for the field of vision it would offer worse from that pinpoint as that field of vision simply angles away from it, up down, and horizontally so either way it offers nothing back to the immediate scopes of each side.

It's hard to say exactly what you're getting at there but it'll be wrong.
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Yep due to what I explained.

Not entirely sure what you think you explained but if you think it was due to anything other than the ship sailing across a curved surface.... you're wrong.

Maybe.

Oh please

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Ah, back to the insults of "you are just following what you are told, you can't think for yourself like me".

Do not cry about insults when you and others spend enough time offering them.
Surely you're not that weak, are you?

But again, past all that meaningless waffle three facts still remain:
1) Distances work perfectly on a globe

No, they do not.

2) You have not been able to say what doesn't work on a globe, therefore you can't prove the distances do not work on a globe, further validating point 1

I've already proved a globe cannot exist with the simplest of observations that anyone can do.
You absolutely cannot validate distances on a globe. You may validate a distance by your own speed and time but you cannot verify it being from supposed global reality.

3) You are unable to provide a 2d disc map of your world, because it just doesn't work.

If you can tell me how I can provide a legitimate map for the distances of Earth then I'm all ears.
Can you provide one for a globe without adhering to the one offered to you?

So I ask you again, can you provide a 2d disc map where the distances work?

And I ask you, can you provide one of a globe that you can verify to me as being legitimate? If not then don't expect me to offer one.

 

[chelt_mackem]

It's hard to say exactly what you're getting at there but it'll be wrong.

How to sum up all of Nukey's posts on this thread.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

How to sum up all of Nukey's posts on this thread.

If I expected different answers to this then I'd be sitting here shocked. Luckily it's what I expect so I'm more than comfortable and still as strong with my take, if not stronger.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

How to sum up all of Nukey's posts on this thread.

Don't distract him, he's drawing a diagram

 

[DaveH]

Do not cry about insults when you and others spend enough time offering them.
Surely you're not that weak, are you?

No, they do not.

I've already proved a globe cannot exist with the simplest of observations that anyone can do.
You absolutely cannot validate distances on a globe. You may validate a distance by your own speed and time but you cannot verify it being from supposed global reality.


If you can tell me how I can provide a legitimate map for the distances of Earth then I'm all ears.
Can you provide one for a globe without adhering to the one offered to you?

And I ask you, can you provide one of a globe that you can verify to me as being legitimate? If not then don't expect me to offer one.

I’m not crying about insults, merely observing that conspiracy theorists all seem to have the same playbook. When stuck, the “you are a sheep, you have no clue” is a common one. “ Do some homework ” is another common one which you seem to have gone to in this response. I’m expecting “change the subject” or “flat out denial without any reason posted” to be next.

Which distances don’t work on a globe? You tell me the actual distance between any landmass or city that is not scaled correctly on a standard globe and I’ll check it against a globe here and see. I.e., you claim distances don’t work. Prove it.

You asked me for a globe, they are sold everywhere. Do you want a link for where to buy one or I could take a photo?

I can’t tell you how you can produce a legitimate map for your fantasy world, because it doesn’t exist and doesn’t work. Why do you expect me to be able to tell you how to do something you made up? The best bet is to forget all about it, have a nice cup of tea and accept reality.

You claimed you can produce a 2d map where the distances all work. If you still think you can, then go on. If you have decided it is impossible, just admit it and we can move on.



Unrelated thing of interest for other people is this project

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Someone built a satellite tracker out of cheap hardware, further validating there are things up there, moving, we can see them and track their radio signals. You don’t need the special hardware belonging to “authority”.

 

[fyl2u]

The general go-to answer.

You accept it because you're told you live on one as do millions upon millions.

You haven't proved anything that works on a globe. You've provided what you've been told works on a globe. It's not something you can verify yourself, other than to use what you were given.

The map is already provided. It's used to navigate. It's a flat map passed off as a global map.

You're not too far off with that.

You're not too far off with that.

Amazing what thinking can do.

Wrong.

Do not cry about insults when you and others spend enough time offering them.
Surely you're not that weak, are you?

No, they do not.

I've already proved a globe cannot exist with the simplest of observations that anyone can do.
You absolutely cannot validate distances on a globe. You may validate a distance by your own speed and time but you cannot verify it being from supposed global reality.


If you can tell me how I can provide a legitimate map for the distances of Earth then I'm all ears.
Can you provide one for a globe without adhering to the one offered to you?

And I ask you, can you provide one of a globe that you can verify to me as being legitimate? If not then don't expect me to offer one.

Wrong.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

Strangely familiar stuff moving over and around here

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[payne]

Strangely familiar stuff moving over and around here

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8mins 30 to around 9 mins is oh so familiar

 

[Roman maroni]

8mins 30 to around 9 mins is oh so familiar

He gets an awful lot of his so called musings from YouTube.

 

[payne]

He gets an awful lot of his so called musings from YouTube.

Zero of his musings have been developed in his own head.

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

Zero of his musings have been developed in his own head.

I'm really hoping for a few more diagrams. Always good value.

 

[Pancho]

He gets an awful lot of his so called musings from YouTube.

He gets 100% of his musings from the youtube channels that specifically cater for, and profit from, slack jawed rubes.

 

[payne]

I'm really hoping for a few more diagrams. Always good value.

It must be a weird mindset to actually believe 99.9% of humans to have ever lived are morons who have never had an independent thought in their lives. I could imagine being an expert in some field and maybe even a world leader on a topic but it's hard to conceive that I would then start to believe I know more than a counterpart in a completely different discipline that they specialise in.
It's full-blown insanity of a world leading sociopath.

 

[Pancho]

It must be a weird mindset to actually believe 99.9% of humans to have ever lived are morons who have never had an independent thought in their lives. I could imagine being an expert in some field and maybe even a world leader on a topic but it's hard to conceive that I would then start to believe I know more than a counterpart in a completely different discipline that they specialise in.
It's full-blown insanity of a world leading sociopath.

I haven't read a better description than Professor Dave's "delusional narcissists".

 

[DaveH]

Strangely familiar stuff moving over and around here

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That is a really annoying video!

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

That is a really annoying video!

Aye, I only really stuck with it when I heard the "over and around" phrase and recognised it from somewhere.

 

[What A Waster]

Combine a lack of understanding of scale with a lack of understanding of field of view and you get interesting results.

I dunno what his red and green lines are meant to be to him, and I'm not sure if he realises it, but they demonstrate how you would or wouldn't see the ship due to the horizon.
The black lines? Not a clue either

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

I dunno what his red and green lines are meant to be to him, and I'm not sure if he realises it, but they demonstrate how you would or wouldn't see the ship due to the horizon.
The black lines? Not a clue either

Is it not obvious? You can look at a ship going over a convex curvature and every angled tilted down movement forward of that ship offers yourself an angle downward tilt backward with your standing vision of it. This means you would get to see none of what you actually do see in reality.