Put a flat earthier into space

[fyl2u]

We also have tiny ants. Do you think there's bigger one's?
We also have tiny dogs. Do you think there's bigger ones?
We also have tiny horses. Do you think there's bigger ones.
We also have tiny lakes. Do you think there's bigger ones?
We also have tiny hills. Do you think there's bigger one's?
We also have.........tiny crystals. Do you think there's bigger one's?

Unless you're trying to suggest that the bigger ants, dogs, horses, lakes and hills are all producing light at the centre of your cell world, I don't know what point you think you're trying to make here, other than the fact that you can name five things that have small and large varieties.

Take a look around you at the things we can do on Earth. If you take some time out and look a bit deeper you can understand what's likely going on in this cell.
We can replicate a lot.
Put your mind to it. Do it for you, not for me.

What is this jibberish?

And as the books were placed back on the shelves, we pondered. Were those books fictional and placed on the fact shelf?

No, no they weren't. Because the rest of us aren't so easily confused by the difference between fact and fiction as you appear to be.

And the simple things are all that's required to bring down the stacked deck.

More jibberish.
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On another note for everyone else, this is cool...

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[Nobby]

And yet you're willing to believe there's a 2 million plus circumference of a burning sun in a space vacuum that you could never get near bu

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Wrong again

This is more of an exercise in how a person can think outside of the mainstream box

That what you are trying to turn this into since you "experiments" have been exposed as nothing more rigorous than "looks flat to me"

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Unless you're trying to suggest that the bigger ants, dogs, horses, lakes and hills are all producing light at the centre of your cell world, I don't know what point you think you're trying to make here, other than the fact that you can name five things that have small and large varieties.

Nope, just answering your firefly mindset.

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Wrong again

That what you are trying to turn this into since you "experiments" have been exposed as nothing more rigorous than "looks flat to me"

This is what I mentioned about the stories.
Fantastical fiction placed on the fact shelf for those who wish to read it as fact and argue for it based on that story.

Which is fine.
There's lots of fantasy stuff out there. It's just a case of what suits each of us.

 

[DPTT]

We can all “think outside of the box” and dream up elaborate shit to how we would like the world to look like.

Difference is to 99.9% of the population we also know what the world “really” is like and don’t go spouting our fantasies out as the truth.

I mean fancy saying there is a gid big massive hole in the ground where the sun comes out of and not one person in the history of the human race has mentioned it

 

[Nukehasslefan]

We can all “think outside of the box” and dream up elaborate shit to how we would like the world to look like.

Correct.
We can also do simple tests to show what it isn't like.

Difference is to 99.9% of the population we also know what the world “really” is like and don’t go spouting our fantasies out as the truth.

99.9% is based on, what proof?
How many of the 99.9% you say actually just accept what they're told without even bothering to question it?

I mean fancy saying there is a gid big massive hole in the ground where the sun comes out of and not one person in the history of the human race has mentioned it

How do you know nobody has in history?
You seem fine with a central iron core of a spinning globe and nobody in history has ever proven it or does this not matter because it's all about the amount that believe it?

 

[Bobthebasted]

Nope, just answering your firefly mindset.

This is what I mentioned about the stories.
Fantastical fiction placed on the fact shelf for those who wish to read it as fact and argue for it based on that story.

Which is fine.
There's lots of fantasy stuff out there. It's just a case of what suits each of us.

You are a much better WUM then me. I am pretty awesome at it also.

 

[Nobby]

How do you know nobody has in history?

Because you are not putting it up as a fact you are putting it up as your musing.

Ergo no one can have been to a place that exists only in your head

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

And yet you're willing to believe there's a 2 million plus circumference of a burning sun in a space vacuum that you could never get near but keeps us warm but yet so cold as space is told until it isn't and then it is and then it isn't....etc.

I can see the sun and feel the heat from it. I can see it rise in the East and set in the West. I can see planets orbiting it. I can see it rise and fall between the solstices and both see and feel the effects of that. I can see the stars also rise in the East and set in the West, crucially at a different rate to that of the Sun, but still as regular and predictable and understandable. I don't have a problem with this and if I 'appeal to authority' for what's in between I'd be told "nothing much."
It's pretty simple but amazing stuff and some might need to appeal to authority more than others to understand it, but the explanations fit perfectly with the observed facts and yes, I'm willing to believe it.

And you think my explanation is nuts.

Yes, yes I do. It's ridiculous. It explains none of the things observed. Not one.

You go with that because I think the mainstream one is beyond nuts. It borders on a total pee take....but, that's just my thoughts.

I'll go with that because it makes sense and the explanations fit the observations.

If you believed anything I said I would be shocked. I really would. No way in hell do I expect anyone to believe a word I say. This is more of an exercise in how a person can think outside of the mainstream box, not an expectation from me to follow anything I mention.

Backing away from the whole thing now? It was all just a thought experiment?

 

[payne]

the horizon? piss off

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[DPTT]

Correct.
We can also do simple tests to show what it isn't like.

99.9% is based on, what proof?
How many of the 99.9% you say actually just accept what they're told without even bothering to question it?

How do you know nobody has in history?
You seem fine with a central iron core of a spinning globe and nobody in history has ever proven it or does this not matter because it's all about the amount that believe it?

Show me where someone has claimed there is a massive hole emitting energy from?

I’ve looked and cannot find anything

Maybe the 99.9% do question it and have come to the conclusion that scientists throughout the ages do actually know what they are doing.

You ever thought that these scientists are actually correct?

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

Correct.
We can also do simple tests to show what it isn't like.

aaaand we're back to that point again.
There are tests.
Show us the tests.
I already did.
No you didn't, show us the tests.
I did but they were ignored, that's ok .I don't expect you to believe a word of it.
We'd like to try, show us the tests.
Think about it for yourself, make up your own tests.
Wait, there are no tests are there?
There are tests.

That's the next 20 pages dealt with.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Because you are not putting it up as a fact you are putting it up as your musing.

Ergo no one can have been to a place that exists only in your head

The place you call a spinning oblate spheroid around a big 2 million mile plus circumference of a burning sun with scattered balls of rock and gas, so called planets with millions and millions more supposed suns that apparently dwarf the one you believe is our sun...and all the rest of that utter utter utter fantastical fictional gunk, exists in your head and the heads of those who were brought up with that schooling...including myself.

However, the mass peer pressure has made it appear that people actually know a reality and they simply do not.
You are more than welcome to ridicule my musings. Spend as much time as you feel necessary to absolutely ridicule it all in the best way you can possibly muster. It doesn't change my stance on it and nor does it change my stance on Earth not being a spinning globe and all the rest of the fantasy we were told to accept and believe, as fact.

So just remember that, when you attack my musing (which you are entitled to do) I'm sat back doing exactly the same to the one you believe is your truth. It's not any attack against you or those who believe it. It's my attack against the actual schooling of the fantasy that is basically bullied into people to accept as factual of be ridiculed if you dare to think outside of that.

As simple as that really.

 

[Nobby]

my stance on Earth not being a spinning globe

You seem to be putting a lot of effort in today trying to say even that is your musing/thought experiment.
But it was only the weekend you said you didn't believe the earth wasn't a globe, that you knew it.

You need to keep you trolling consistent

 

[Nukehasslefan]

I can see the sun and feel the heat from it.

Yep.

I can see it rise in the East and set in the West.

Yep.

I can see planets orbiting it.

What you're told are planets.

I can see it rise and fall between the solstices and both see and feel the effects of that.

Yep, you see it rise and fall in that sky.

I can see the stars also rise in the East and set in the West, crucially at a different rate to that of the Sun, but still as regular and predictable and understandable.

Yep, much smaller lights scattered about so will move differently in rate due to your distant perspective.

I don't have a problem with this and if I 'appeal to authority' for what's in between I'd be told "nothing much."

You're already appealing to it with what you've just said. You don;t need anything in between.

It's pretty simple but amazing stuff and some might need to appeal to authority more than others to understand it, but the explanations fit perfectly with the observed facts and yes, I'm willing to believe it.

And that's fine. You and millions/billions(?) of others.
Religion is on similar grounds as a belief system. A faith system and argued based entirely on appeals to authority.

I'll go with that because it makes sense and the explanations fit the observations.

Everything fits observations because they're made to fit.

Backing away from the whole thing now? It was all just a thought experiment?

I'm backing away from nothing. Are you?

Show me where someone has claimed there is a massive hole emitting energy from?

You mentioned it.

I’ve looked and cannot find anything

Why would you?

Maybe the 99.9% do question it and have come to the conclusion that scientists throughout the ages do actually know what they are doing.

Maybe, eh?

You ever thought that these scientists are actually correct?

Many times on many things. In fact I'd say billions of things. Just not a spinning global Earth and all the bumph associated with how it's supposed to work.

You seem to be putting a lot of effort in today trying to say even that is your musing/thought experiment.

Just answering to as many as I can.

But it was only the weekend you said you didn't believe the earth wasn't a globe, that you knew it.

I don;t believe it's a spinning globe in a space vacuum, as we've been conned into.

You need to keep you trolling consistent

I am consistent. You believing otherwise is your weak attempts to use the words, trolling and WUM...etc....etc as some kind of relevance due to your weak arguments.

 

[Nobby]

I don;t believe it's a spinning globe in a space vacuum, as we've been conned into.

But you said you knew it at the weekend when asked a specific black and white question. Did you believe the earth wasn't a globe or did you know it.

You now say you just believe it

 

[Nukehasslefan]

But you said you knew it at the weekend when asked a specific black and white question. Did you believe the earth wasn't a globe or did you know it.

You now say you just believe it

I know it and believe I know it.

 

[ned_werby]

Has the mentalist mag explained how clouds don't block his magic crystal sky display?

because water's flat

 

[DPTT]

You mentioned it.

Eh

It’s you who has suggested it’s there not me

And why do you think all these scientists over the thousands of years have pushed a global earth if it’s incorrect?

 

[The Snockerty Friddle]

Yep.

Yep.

What you're told are planets.

Ok, I'm told they are planets, but I can also see them for myself.

Yep, you see it rise and fall in that sky.

Yes, I do. I do not see it float off into the distance to be lost to perspective.

Yep, much smaller lights scattered about so will move differently in rate due to your distant perspective.

Will move differently because they are so much further away! ie NOT reflections on a dome.

You're already appealing to it with what you've just said. You don;t need anything in between.

Idiot misunderstands simple sentence for his own needs or purposes.

Religion is on similar grounds as a belief system. A faith system and argued based entirely on appeals to authority.

There really is no need to keep bringing religion into this. They are NOT the same thing. Religious teaching may well be a better example of the 'schooling' or brainwashing you insist we all suffer, but you also then need to consider that lots of us are not religious. We CAN look at what's presented and check it out for ourselves before we accept or reject it.

Everything fits observations because they're made to fit.

And this differs from your method in what way? Oh yeah, observation, testing and experiments, all that boring, pointless stuff that you only need to bother with if you want the truth rather than your made-up nonsense.

I'm backing away from nothing. Are you?

You were so certain, 100% certain, but now it's only a thought experiment. Sounds very much like backing away.
Me? No.

 

[Nobby]

I know it and believe I know it.

You either know it with certainty or not.

But you are a lot less certain than you were on Sunday

I know 100% it's not a spinning globe