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What A Waster said:
Then show us some data to support the pressure matching up with tides.

I'd be interested to see how pressure in the north sea causes the Humber to have a high tide 3 hours later than the Tyne
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So what data do you require from me?
Do I ring up a weather centre and ask them to send me data based on my idea that atmospheric pressure causes tides?

As for the Tyne and Humber and what not. The reasons why tides vary is entirely down to sun and moon reflective position and movement over those areas and the immediate pressure push at each point that sends the water towards each piosition once pressure is applied.
It's a domino effect of wave/ripple push..

Can you explain it for how it works on a spinning globe?
Nobby said:
Sounds a lot like a religious belief, rather than a result of questioning and critical thinking
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Of course it will to people like yourself. It's like that with the global model. It's more akin to religious belief systems.
ned_werby said:
Yes, I am. I'm interested in knowing what your interpretation of the source of all of our light, heat, energy is.
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The reason I asked is, I've already been through it and it seems you paid no attention to it.
What A Waster said:
Getting a bit windy out there.
Gonna be a bit breezy the next few days. Probably means no high tides for a bit
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If you're thinking solely of wind then maybe you'll struggle.

Do barometers work by catching wind?
 
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Nukehasslefan said:
So what data do you require from me?
Do I ring up a weather centre and ask them to send me data based on my idea that atmospheric pressure causes tides?

As for the Tyne and Humber and what not. The reasons why tides vary is entirely down to sun and moon reflective position and movement over those areas and the immediate pressure push at each point that sends the water towards each piosition once pressure is applied.
It's a domino effect of wave/ripple push..
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Is it really? There must be some data out there to show this.
I didn't ring the met office up for what I showed you.

Anyway I've done the work for you. You can match the numbers up now because it doesn't make sense to me.
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Nukehasslefan said:
As for the Tyne and Humber and what not. The reasons why tides vary is entirely down to sun and moon reflective position and movement over those areas and the immediate pressure push at each point that sends the water towards each piosition once pressure is applied.
It's a domino effect of wave/ripple push..
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But that pressure would still be measured by weather stations surely?
 
What A Waster said:
Is it really? There must be some data out there to show this.
I didn't ring the met office up for what I showed you.

Anyway I've done the work for you. You can match the numbers up now because it doesn't make sense to me.
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Nothing I say makes sense to you so It's no surprise to me.
Nobby said:
But that pressure would still be measured by weather stations surely?
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I would say so....but, if tides are told to us then the data must be known about what causes those tides....right?
So what is the force that causes them?
 
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What A Waster said:
Is it really? There must be some data out there to show this.
I didn't ring the met office up for what I showed you.

Anyway I've done the work for you. You can match the numbers up now because it doesn't make sense to me.
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Because I'm so good, the north sea marine weather (which inlcudes pressure) was for 56°N.

So here are tide times for 56°N
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As you can see the pressure rises at the same rate it did for Newcastle in my other post about this.
Yet the tide times are different
 
What A Waster said:
Because I'm so good, the north sea marine weather (which inlcudes pressure) was for 56°N.

So here are tide times for 56°N
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As you can see the pressure rises at the same rate it did for Newcastle in my other post about this.
Yet the tide times are different
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Ahhh right, so you're going by land pressures and not ocean/sea pressures.
No wonder you're getting mixed up.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
Ahhh right, so you're going by land pressures and not ocean/sea pressures.
No wonder you're getting mixed up.
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No.

The marine pressure I've given you is 56°N and 2° east.
2° east is as far east as the north sea off Lowestoft (Britain's most easterly point).

Now 56°N is Edinburgh. Edinburgh is further west than Bristol. Edinburgh is 3° west.
So to be 2° east at 56°N you're talking 350 mile into the sea off the Forth.

Definitely not land pressure
 
Nukehasslefan said:
Ahhh right, so you're going by land pressures and not ocean/sea pressures.
No wonder you're getting mixed up.
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You said atmospheric pressure though.
So surely if its high pressure near the shore that would push the seas back?
What A Waster said:
No.

The marine pressure is 56°N and 2° east.
2° east is as far east as the north sea off Lowestoft (Britain's most easterly point).

Now 56°N is Edinburgh. Edinburgh is further west than Bristol. Edinburgh is 3° west.
So to be 2° east at 56°N you're talking 350 mile into the sea off the Forth.

Definitely not land pressure
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More deflection incoming.....
 
DaveH said:
AN undetectable high and low pressure system moving over the oceans like clockwork to make the tides predictable. Make sure you tell the whole story to help people.
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It will be detectable but the effects of it would not be on any large scale like people think in terms of pressure out ro sea where the directed energy of the sun or moon reflections hit.
It's just a ripple effect. A build up from Each locality of the reflective energy and pressure created.

Pressure are still detectable on land by barometers but land and sea pressure will obviously differ due to the absorption or reflective properties of what's hit.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
Not enough reflective light.

I don't change the model. I go on what the mainstream books tell us and argue it from that point.

Because you don;t have a globe to stick a real sized bath on.
But....if you go on with a toy bath on a small globe then try that out and spin it.

Not sure what you mean by this.


Yep we know this by what we see. Just not on a globe.

No.
Twist it anyway you want but it doesn't aid you in any way.
Baths obviously exist, just not on a spinning global world. Why? Because we don't live on one.
Simple as that.

Correct I've never done it.
Try the toy one out you have and place it on a ball.

Ahhhh....but size, right?
A ball is a ball regardless of size.
Water is water whatever container it is in, sitting on that ball.
Spin that ball and your container will no longer hold water nor hold the container if it's not anchored down or part of an indentation into the ball.
Basically you get no level because you get no water staying on a ball.
Why?
Because we do not live on a spinning globe.
The reason why water is level is because we do not live on a spinning globe.

Your words, not mine.

Absolutely not.

By all means think this.

On a globe. Don't forget the spinning globe.

How else do you think it gets bigger to our vision?

What disc?

You don't see two hemispheres. If you look up at the sky you see that visible sky and everything that moves over and around it from your point.
Someone else will see different depending on where they're standing away from that point, around Earth's cell.
And other places will be nothing as it's washed out by sun, until the sun goes and they see their points of light moving over and away.
No need for two hemispheres.
And also, do you accept you see the moon image upside down in places?
Do you see some of your star constellations at different orientations depending on where you are on Earth?.



A natural projector from the centre of Earth through crystals will sort that out easily.


Are you sure?

Imagined as drawn on the inside of a globe.
Inside of a globe suggests concave.
The dome suggests concave.
The mindset of two hemispheres can be the mindset of one part of a concavity against another part. Not two hemispheres cupped together.

As the reflected sun and moon moves over and around the Earth pressure changes happen with that movement. Above and below.
As that pressure hits seas it compresses those seas as it moves over them.
The compression on those seas causes the seas in that area to be pushed outwards from that pressure which eventually reaches shore and starts to raise higher and higher up the beaches, etc.
The closer the reflection gets to areas the more pressure is created to that area as the reflection moves over that area.
The more pressure build means the more compression on the seas.
The more compression means the more the water rises at the beaches.

Simple atmospheric pressure changes.
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Obviously you can only take my analogy of a toy bath on a basket ball so far. It can prove that a bath can sit on a ball, nothing more.

You deny the concept that a bath can sit on a globe sized planet. I don't think there is anywhere to go with that argument. Baths can't exist and neither do right angles. That is the level we have come to.

Yes, water would fall out the toy bath if you spun it, even spinning it as slowly as the earth spins for two reasons. 1 a basket ball does not have the mass or gravitational force to hold the water in. The earth is bigger and denser so it does. 2 - I would be restricted to doing this on earth and I have a massive gravitational force under my feet.

Imagine turning one of those magnetic grabbers used in scrap yards upside down and standing on it. In one hand you hold a small magnet and in the other you hold a paper clip just a few centimetres from the magnet. Let go of the paper clip and it should be attracted to the magnet. Now turn on the massive magnet you are standing on and repeat. Have you just proved that magnetism doesn't exist because the paper clip fell? No, you are standing on a massive magnet that changes the conditions of your experiment.
Nukehasslefan said:
Pressure are still detectable on land by barometers but land and sea pressure will obviously differ due to the absorption or reflective properties of what's hit.
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absorption and reflection of pressure? :D :D

You are just throwing words together now.

No barometer has ever detected this clockwork pressure wave of what you speak of, be it on land or sea.
 
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