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Put a flat earthier into space


The Snockerty Friddle said:
Because if you were to project for example, a perfect circle onto your dome, you would only have to move a few miles before it appeared to be an ellipse.
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Not sure how you work that out.
The Snockerty Friddle said:
The one picture of Polaris with star trails is all the evidence you need in order to know that whatever shape the Earth is, it's rotating.
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Yes, the points of light are rotating. Not the ground under you.
The Snockerty Friddle said:
Explain the mechanism by which they all co-ordinate their different speeds so as to appear in a stable, unchanging pattern.Then explain how they do this while circling Polaris, and why Polaris alone stands more or less motionless.
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That can only be seen with a time lapse.
On a roundabout do you feel like you're spinning faster in the centre or towards the outer? How does it appear in visual from the outsider looking in?

The Snockerty Friddle said:
Then calculate the chances that the one and only 'point of light' to do this sits directly upon our celestial pole.
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How do you know this?
 
Nukehasslefan said:
Not sure how you work that out.

Yes, the points of light are rotating. Not the ground under you.

That can only be seen with a time lapse.
On a roundabout do you feel like you're spinning faster in the centre or towards the outer? How does it appear in visual from the outsider looking in?



How do you know this?
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Brilliant
 
Nukehasslefan said:
Not sure how you work that out.

Yes, the points of light are rotating. Not the ground under you.

That can only be seen with a time lapse.
On a roundabout do you feel like you're spinning faster in the centre or towards the outer? How does it appear in visual from the outsider looking in?



How do you know this?
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There is a lot of stuff in there that relies on understanding and accepting the geometry of circles. Maybe that could be something we need to discuss and agree on so there is a common starting point 😂😂😂😂😂😂
 
Nukehasslefan said:
For instance, you can go to school and learn about Jason and the Argonauts or the Minotaur or dinosaurs from 60 million years ago and so on and so on.
If you read enough books and listen to people who've already done so you will be marked on your ability to recall what was instilled into you for the reward of high marks and a certificate that may put you in a higher certificate group than others.
You could then go on to study more of the same and become a teacher yourself in this certain section of knowledge you gained.
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Or you could use your expertise in the field to go out and dig up the fossilised bones (evidence) of the dinosaurs.

Or have they been planted to fool us?
 
BigPete said:
Or you could use your expertise in the field to go out and dig up the fossilised bones (evidence) of the dinosaurs.
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I could if I knew where to look but I'd be hard pushed to date them to 60 million years.
BigPete said:
Or have they been planted to fool us?
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It depends on what are real bones.
You see I do believe there potentially were giant humans and animals and all kinds of other creatures large and what not, so 60 million years and such is a big story stretch for me.
 
“It's a small planetarium. It's not going to offer everything we view on a big Earth at any standpoint.”

A few posts back you brought up the planetarium to explain the movement of stars.

Now it’s suddenly insufficient?

if you were to project for example, a perfect circle onto your dome, you would only have to move a few miles before it appeared to be an ellipse.

“Not sure how you work that out.”

Clearly, although it’s not difficult. Project a circle onto a dome and it appears as a circle to anyone close to the projector. To anyone more distant it will be an ellipse.



“That can only be seen with a time lapse.
On a roundabout do you feel like you're spinning faster in the centre or towards the outer? How does it appear in visual from the outsider looking in?”



Only visible on a time lapse? Are you suggesting this means it doesn’t actually happen? Try filming it instead of timelapse.

On a roundabout you get to choose your speed, and the lanes nearer the centre are shorter than the outer ones. It stands to reason that if you were to have two cars circling the roundabout, side by side, one would have to travel faster than the other if they were to complete the circuit at the same time. To ‘an outsider looking in’ it would look as though you were going around a roundabout.

“Yes, the points of light are rotating. Not the ground under you.”

As I said, explain why all the other stars move at provably different speeds, and why they all circle Polaris, how and why they co-ordinate with each other to do so while appearing to keep the same pattern, and then calculate the odds against all of this inexplicable nonsense occurring exactly around our celestial pole rather than just any random spot in the sky.
 
The Snockerty Friddle said:
“It's a small planetarium. It's not going to offer everything we view on a big Earth at any standpoint.”

A few posts back you brought up the planetarium to explain the movement of stars.
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I brought it up because people were arguing about a central projector, so I used this to give an insight.
The Snockerty Friddle said:
Now it’s suddenly insufficient?
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It's fine for what it shows but the premise was to show how easily a projection works.
The Snockerty Friddle said:
if you were to project for example, a perfect circle onto your dome, you would only have to move a few miles before it appeared to be an ellipse.

“Not sure how you work that out.”

Clearly, although it’s not difficult. Project a circle onto a dome and it appears as a circle to anyone close to the projector. To anyone more distant it will be an ellipse.
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Why?

The Snockerty Friddle said:


“That can only be seen with a time lapse.
On a roundabout do you feel like you're spinning faster in the centre or towards the outer? How does it appear in visual from the outsider looking in?”



Only visible on a time lapse? Are you suggesting this means it doesn’t actually happen? Try filming it instead of timelapse.
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No, I'm saying you're going on about speed and your view of so called stars are not a view of anything moving at any noticeable speed until you timelapse the movement and then you see the difference which is why I used the roundabout analogy.
The Snockerty Friddle said:
On a roundabout you get to choose your speed, and the lanes nearer the centre are shorter than the outer ones.
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Yep, just like the sky dome.
The Snockerty Friddle said:
It stands to reason that if you were to have two cars circling the roundabout, side by side, one would have to travel faster than the other if they were to complete the circuit at the same time.
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Not if they were stuck to the roundabout. It means from an outsiders point of view they would appear to go faster as they move to outer lanes.
The Snockerty Friddle said:
To ‘an outsider looking in’ it would look as though you were going around a roundabout.

“Yes, the points of light are rotating. Not the ground under you.”



As I said, explain why all the other stars move at provably different speeds, and why they all circle Polaris, how and why they co-ordinate with each other to do so while appearing to keep the same pattern, and then calculate the odds against all of this inexplicable nonsense occurring exactly around our celestial pole rather than just any random spot in the sky.
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If they are being projected then why wouldn't they follow the same path?
 
Nukehasslefan said:
Aye and this is why this debate is still ongoing. Lack of provable facts and stuff.
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Except that these are provable.
Get a camera.
Take a picture of Polaris.
Muse.

It doesn't matter if you call them stars or points of light, they do not and cannot all conspire with each other to provide the observer with the same pattern regardless of their position on Earth.
 
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Nukehasslefan said:
The pendulum is swinging backwards and forwards and on a pivot.The pendulum itself is moved by atmospheric movement in a pressure because atmosphere moves around the Earth towards the centre, gaining is movement the closer to the centre you get as the vortex builds.
Depending on where you're stood on that circle will depend on how yous et up your pendulum base clock or skittles or whatever is used to show movement one way or the other.


No globe required.
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Why opposite directions at our 2 poles though and why no movement at any point on the equator?
Even in a sealed building which omits atmospheric pressure it still happens
Nukehasslefan said:
The pendulum is swinging backwards and forwards and on a pivot.The pendulum itself is moved by atmospheric movement in a pressure because atmosphere moves around the Earth towards the centre, gaining is movement the closer to the centre you get as the vortex builds.
Depending on where you're stood on that circle will depend on how yous et up your pendulum base clock or skittles or whatever is used to show movement one way or the other.


No globe required.
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Why opposite directions at our 2 poles though and why no movement at any point on the equator?
Even in a sealed building which omits atmospheric pressure it still happens
Nukehasslefan said:
My sketch won't change a thing.

I know.
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We really need the sketch you promised though.
Then we may understand the utter nonsense you post daily.
 
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