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Put a flat earthier into space

It just occurs naturally, keep up.

But in 1492 when Columbus sailed west to somewhere not previously known about the powers that be had to act. That is when the globe lie was put in place. That way it puts people off discovering the central energy votrex projecting the sun through crystals.
They've even made up stuff like sattelites and astronauts just to keep us further in the dark. Extra work year on year just keep treat us like mushrooms. Keep us in the dark and feed us shit.
I mean the whole space race and moon landing was just made up just to trick us.
Instead of just saying "yes this is a cell/disc/dome/whatever" the lies, science, maths, stories become more elaborate and clever creating millions of jobs over the years, and millions of people in on the lie.
All just to trick us for no real explained reason.
Seems like a lot of work.

They’re even making it more difficult for themselves by inventing the Hubble telescope so they can take fictitious images of fictitious space and by publicly spending billions creating rocket ships eventually destined for non-existent Mars.
If I were them, I’d just play it low key rather than make their own job harder. All those millions of them who are in on it.
 

They’re even making it more difficult for themselves by inventing the Hubble telescope so they can take fictitious images of fictitious space and by publicly spending billions creating rocket ships eventually destined for non-existent Mars.
If I were them, I’d just play it low key rather than make their own job harder. All those millions of them who are in on it.

Exactly that.
Year after year creating more work to further the lie. Started with books then the internet came along. A way to share all the information ever... why allow that to happen? Much easier to keep us unconnected to everything.

They'll slip up eventually though. Can't fool us forever.
 
Exactly that.
Year after year creating more work to further the lie. Started with books then the internet came along. A way to share all the information ever... why allow that to happen? Much easier to keep us unconnected to everything.

They'll slip up eventually though. Can't fool us forever.
that's what we'd expect them to do
 
Of course.
Tilted 23.5 degrees as we're told.
All rather perfect for explanation. This is what the globe model requires. It requires total effort to twist one way or another to try to fit in what we actually observe.
The issue is all about this 23.5 degree tilt going around a big fiery ball.
This is what I'm on about with the wobble as it goes around when in fact if looked at in a more realistic fashion by using proper means with a model, you'd notice that the so called ball Earth would not shift positions as it spun around, meaning the sun would hit the bottom and middle and never see the top, or vice versa, whichever way you want to orientate the angle.

We are just fooled into a belief that the Earth so called ball can just flip orientation as it spins around in a circle or a supposed elliptical orbit.

It's all worked out to fit what we see so we simply accept the nonsense, In my opinion.



Yep, I'm well aware of how it supposedly works but there's no ral mechanism for why it would work. It has to wobble or if you don;t like the word, wobble we can call it tilted shift.
If you're moving around a big ball at angle then your angle will never shift as you move around that big ball.
Basically if your north pole is facing away from the big ball then that's it all the way around it. It has to be fixed unless there's some force that alters that. Is there a force?

You believe you can pull gas out of a container. I'm asking you how you manage this. What are you using to do this?
Let's make this easier.

Go and get a plastic bottle. Open the lid and you have a plastic bottle full of air that is the same pressure as the normal atmospheric conditions you are standing in.
You want to evacuate this bottle of some pressure.
There's two ways you can do this. You can place your mouth over it and create a low pressure in your own mouth to allow the atmosphere to crush the bottle and push out the air into your mouth and out through your nose, or you can crush it yourself and push out the air in the bottle.

However, when it comes to a bell jar or a solid container we have something a bit different because we are evacuating the jar of some of the pressure but also stopping the external pressure breaching the jar or crushing it.

First of all we have to get the air out of the jar.
For this we need a pump and that pump is the creator of low pressure by pushing against external higher pressure.
It does not suck anything out of the jar, it pushes against the atmosphere and creates that lower pressure where the air in the jar can expand out by it's very own decompression, molecules against molecules.

As an analogy:
As if you filled a jar full of soft air balls and crammed them into the jar and opened that jar against lesser pressure. The balls would be pushed out by the rest of the compressed balls so your air balls closest to the opening would be pushed out.

This will keep happening as long as the pressure at the opening is less than the pressure created by the decompression of the air balls inside the jar.

If externally those air balls were the same as in the jar then the air balls in that jar would remain in that jar because the pressure is equalised.
Add a pump and this pump can push away (compress) the external balls away, enough to allow decompression of the air balls in that jar.

The same with gases.

Maybe some people will understand what I'm saying......but.

Don't take anything personal. You're getting angry over a debate.
I'm calling the global story, nonsense.
You believe it all. That's it.
You're not very intelligent are you?
 
Exactly that.
Year after year creating more work to further the lie. Started with books then the internet came along. A way to share all the information ever... why allow that to happen? Much easier to keep us unconnected to everything.

They'll slip up eventually though. Can't fool us forever.
They can’t fool Nukey!
 
Why would "they" make extra work by launching observable things like the ISS and then keep the lie up, and have to maintain the lie for years and keep a projector running so that it's observable somewhere in the world several times a night
That is where the conspiracy gets really interesting. While the brightest, the ISS is not the only satellite you can see. Sit out for half an hour on any clear night and you can see loads. We don’t actually need satellites anyway because living on a biscuit, everything is line of sight. But they spent all that time and money putting up extra dots to keep us fooled.

satellites are not just dots in the sky. They need to send radio signals back to earth and while not on commercial wavebands and picked up by your car stereo, you can detect them with ham radio or a kids electronics kit. With a directional antenna and three people in contact, you can triangulate where these things are. Of course to triangulate you need to use maths and as we know, while maths known for a couple of thousand years works to triangulate things on the ground every day, maths itself is just a nice story sent to trick us and absolutely does not apply to the sky. They must be bouncing radio signals off the dome to trick us too.

Radio astronomy is a thing, has that always been there and the projectors are also radio emitters?

But, think about it. Humans make satellites, have satellite dishes and ways of observing and seeing. So these extra dots, how did they get there? Either humans knew they were going to appear at a certain time and back tracked development of satellites, which were pretend launched and junked just to fool the engineers and all of us, or humans added the dots themselves.

Both ask the questions, how long have we been in control or in league with the projectionists. It would suggest long before we knew what a projector was. It means that rather than something natural it is a tens of thousands year old lie from someone out to trick us. That makes sense because why would the planets and the like appear to follow paths described by orbital mechanics, very precisely? It can only be that someone thought this through, knowing humans would develop sufficiently to question all this.

That does make a new level of a science fiction type story. Who are these overseers and how long have world governments in unison been in league with them? Why is it so important we think we are on a globe and space exists? Why do we continue to put so much effort in, with more elaborate lies every year when we could have just said it was not possible?

When you look at it all, controlled by intelligence is the only explanation to account for all we see. That is quite worrying if true. And of course that is the key word, because it could just be fanciful bollocks, especially when there is not a scrap of evidence towards it. Morons say the global model is fake, but at least it has fake observations and fake mathematics to back it up. By using basic geometric equations to describe orbits, what we can see becomes predictable. Flattards (or lets say they could be knowers of truth) have yet to provide any form of maths that allows us to predict on their models. They haven’t even started at the basics and provided a map of the world. They are not really trying.
 
So on this topic all the explorers have been in on it and are perpetuating the lie as well? Rather than some of them actually wanting to reach the pole as a personal goal and ambition for themselves?
Nope.
How would anyone know if they're exploring a globe?
They're given directions to what they're told is a pole, whether north or south.
Do they get dropped off by plane or ship?
They get planted onto terrain and off they go with their compass and provisions, etc.
What they reach is what they're told is their goal, so they either reach it or die trying.


Who would be the people who know a bit more about the drilling? Shell, governments, the military? What would they be drilling for, to find the large diamonds you speak of?
I don't know what they may be drilling for. I can only guess, just like anyone else.
I was asked a question and I gave an answer, not a fact.
I'm guessing the rim is the edge of the world, that ring of insane coldness that leads to the ice dome.
It isn't a rim. It's a continuous gradient that arcs up into the dome.


Basically the edge of this world which I'm assuming is fairly circular given we have a fair idea of the distances to the most southern occupied land masses and then on to the Antarctic continent/78,000 mile ring. Given that a cross section of the bottom of a dome is a ring then that also suggests a circular ring.
If you want to look at it as water to one central gradient and water to the outer gradient then you can call that a sort of ring if that's what you're getting at.



That also suggests that Admunson and Scott were liars.
They either went there, found the secret/impenetrable cold and turned back but agreed to keep the story, or they knew before they went and faked it.
Or mistaken.
Circumnavigation voyages get particularly interesting.


You can also circumnavigate a circle.
Fellow north easterner James Cook lead some famous expeditions in the southern oceans, particular his second one that saw him call into South America and head on to New Zealand. Take a globe, peel back the south pole and flatten it out into a disk and you have those two locations on opposite sides of the disk. On a non-globe earth he would not have gone right to the edge so the journey would have been more like 34,000 miles. He was well documented at both locations so he either did the trip in an incredible time for ships of that era, or took a still quite impressive speed short cut via the Arctic (direct line).

I can't help you on this because there is no edge to what I go with.
You'd think planes would fly over the north and south poles to make journeys shorter...but they don't. I wonder why?
So you're saying Cook went through the north pole to get to New Zealand.
How did he navigate this and using what?

Or Cook and his crew were in on the lie and the people who documented him at all those ports on the way were paid off to also falsely record his presence.
Or he was mistaken in a belief he navigated a globe.

That suggests the dome and the lie have been known about for over 300 years.
It doesn't suggest anything to be fair.
It could easily suggest that people were actually mistaken about Earth size and shape and a belief that navigation using a compass was due to a globe, which is certainly not the case.

Far too much belief and emphasis is placed upon historical figures that apparently did this and that and proved a globe when today it's still not proven.
It saddens me that basically everyone in the exploration game is lying about their exploits. Why don't they put their efforts into working in Hollywood instead of Brendon Fraser getting work?
No real explorer has to be lying about anything.
It just occurs naturally, keep up.

But in 1492 when Columbus sailed west to somewhere not previously known about the powers that be had to act. That is when the globe lie was put in place. That way it puts people off discovering the central energy votrex projecting the sun through crystals.
They've even made up stuff like sattelites and astronauts just to keep us further in the dark. Extra work year on year just keep treat us like mushrooms. Keep us in the dark and feed us shit.
I mean the whole space race and moon landing was just made up just to trick us.
Instead of just saying "yes this is a cell/disc/dome/whatever" the lies, science, maths, stories become more elaborate and clever creating millions of jobs over the years, and millions of people in on the lie.
All just to trick us for no real explained reason.
Seems like a lot of work.
If you look at it from that point of view it would seem like a lot of work.

They’re even making it more difficult for themselves by inventing the Hubble telescope so they can take fictitious images of fictitious space and by publicly spending billions creating rocket ships eventually destined for non-existent Mars.
If I were them, I’d just play it low key rather than make their own job harder. All those millions of them who are in on it.
Hardly difficult.
Exactly that.
Year after year creating more work to further the lie. Started with books then the internet came along. A way to share all the information ever... why allow that to happen? Much easier to keep us unconnected to everything.

They'll slip up eventually though. Can't fool us forever.
They've slipped up so many times it's beecame laughable but people who refuse to see it will never accept that so it leaves the argument ongoing.

The pathetic shenanigans in the supposed ISS are a joke and the pretence of zero gravity and floating which even Tim peake couldn't pull off and nearly messed up in his harness.

I posted that just a few pages back.

The moons tuff is hilarious at times.
Moon buggies sitting there with no tyre tracks and if lifted into placed by a crane or actual models.

I could go on but like I said. Those who see it will see it and those who don't or won't will argue for the supposed reality of it all.
That's the nature of the beast.
You're not very intelligent are you?
Are you asking me or telling me?
That is where the conspiracy gets really interesting. While the brightest, the ISS is not the only satellite you can see. Sit out for half an hour on any clear night and you can see loads. We don’t actually need satellites anyway because living on a biscuit, everything is line of sight. But they spent all that time and money putting up extra dots to keep us fooled.

satellites are not just dots in the sky. They need to send radio signals back to earth and while not on commercial wavebands and picked up by your car stereo, you can detect them with ham radio or a kids electronics kit. With a directional antenna and three people in contact, you can triangulate where these things are. Of course to triangulate you need to use maths and as we know, while maths known for a couple of thousand years works to triangulate things on the ground every day, maths itself is just a nice story sent to trick us and absolutely does not apply to the sky. They must be bouncing radio signals off the dome to trick us too.
Just ground position stations and relays are all that's needed.
We have plenty of antennas thrown about the world. No need for so called space satellites that just always seem to work and never need adjusting or repair which s a good job because we're told they can't be reached for repair.

All very convenient.
Full of electrical components in a space vacuum and never need cooling...but as we all know, circuit boards and components heat up and are cooled by a fan in atmosphere.
A space vacuum offers none of this and yet these so called space satellites just work and work and work for decades, not to mention keep a supposed geosync orbit around a so called spinning globe, somehow.

 
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:D :D this is why I find flat (or completely unknown but not a globe) earthers fascinating.

In the last few days we have debunked all modern education as just repeating facts that people are told. Right up to PhD and beyond, apparently that is just what people do. No new discovery, no proofs, just repeating the given words for the greater good. The greater good. And our luminary showing us this lie will not be deterred from this stubborn thought despite having very limited knowledge of the education system and can't accept that other people have a lot of knowledge about modern education. He also can't accept that anyone else has a lot of knowledge about astronomy, mathematics, physics, thermodynamics, how pumps and vacuums work etc. He will not be deterred. Why? Because if you can say add education is bollocks, then all knowledge, maths and science is bollocks and then anything derived from them, like the shape of the earth, is bollocks. It doesn't matter that the same maths and science are used at ground level for engineering all the time, it is bollocks and people are just following a "nice story" that they have been told to repeat, as if science is really just like Hansel and Grettle.

Why? Because there are things about how the world, solar system and universe works that he simply doesn't understand. Written off as bollocks, problem solved.

But then you look at what it is replaced with. Go to the covid forum and you will see a lot of discussion. Masks may have benefit, they may not. Covid may be worse than flu, flu may be being classed as covid, not a risk to the under 30s etc etc. There are a number of different views but agree with them or not, there is at least some evidence for every view point (except the really nutty ones of owning DNA patents and 5G magic chips), and it provides discussion. People weight up the evidence in different ways but most at least acknowledge there is at least some evidence for the other view point.

But what evidence is there for the alternate theory flat earthers cling to? None. Our own resident even admits there is nothing. But you dig under the covers and you have a ice dome that can reflect the heat of the sun (which is actually under the surface of a flat earth) but doesn't melt, even though it is -272 degrees c. You can't approach where this meets the ground because it is too cold, but nobody has ever documented such a place. In the middle there is projection central where there is a convenient hole in the weather and everything we see in the sky is projected on the dome. Nobody has ever found any evidence of this place either. You dig and dig and it becomes more and more fantasy and unlikely, importantly with zero evidence.

What possesses someone to take something with a hell of a lot of evidence, dismiss that evidence, claim zero evidence and then replace it with a fantasy for which there is zero evidence? The worst thing is, you ask them how a basic works, like night and day, then why is it night in one place and day in the other under a dome we can all see, and they can't. Even in their own heads it doesn't work but they cling to it. I still think it is what I said near the start of the thread, in their own mind it elevates them to something special, because they are not content with their place in life at the moment. It fills a need, especially on the internet where it gets them attention.
 
:D :D this is why I find flat (or completely unknown but not a globe) earthers fascinating.

In the last few days we have debunked all modern education as just repeating facts that people are told. Right up to PhD and beyond, apparently that is just what people do. No new discovery, no proofs, just repeating the given words for the greater good. The greater good. And our luminary showing us this lie will not be deterred from this stubborn thought despite having very limited knowledge of the education system and can't accept that other people have a lot of knowledge about modern education. He also can't accept that anyone else has a lot of knowledge about astronomy, mathematics, physics, thermodynamics, how pumps and vacuums work etc. He will not be deterred. Why? Because if you can say add education is bollocks, then all knowledge, maths and science is bollocks and then anything derived from them, like the shape of the earth, is bollocks. It doesn't matter that the same maths and science are used at ground level for engineering all the time, it is bollocks and people are just following a "nice story" that they have been told to repeat, as if science is really just like Hansel and Grettle.

Why? Because there are things about how the world, solar system and universe works that he simply doesn't understand. Written off as bollocks, problem solved.

But then you look at what it is replaced with. Go to the covid forum and you will see a lot of discussion. Masks may have benefit, they may not. Covid may be worse than flu, flu may be being classed as covid, not a risk to the under 30s etc etc. There are a number of different views but agree with them or not, there is at least some evidence for every view point (except the really nutty ones of owning DNA patents and 5G magic chips), and it provides discussion. People weight up the evidence in different ways but most at least acknowledge there is at least some evidence for the other view point.

But what evidence is there for the alternate theory flat earthers cling to? None. Our own resident even admits there is nothing. But you dig under the covers and you have a ice dome that can reflect the heat of the sun (which is actually under the surface of a flat earth) but doesn't melt, even though it is -272 degrees c. You can't approach where this meets the ground because it is too cold, but nobody has ever documented such a place. In the middle there is projection central where there is a convenient hole in the weather and everything we see in the sky is projected on the dome. Nobody has ever found any evidence of this place either. You dig and dig and it becomes more and more fantasy and unlikely, importantly with zero evidence.

What possesses someone to take something with a hell of a lot of evidence, dismiss that evidence, claim zero evidence and then replace it with a fantasy for which there is zero evidence? The worst thing is, you ask them how a basic works, like night and day, then why is it night in one place and day in the other under a dome we can all see, and they can't. Even in their own heads it doesn't work but they cling to it. I still think it is what I said near the start of the thread, in their own mind it elevates them to something special, because they are not content with their place in life at the moment. It fills a need, especially on the internet where it gets them attention.
No evidence for a globe earth exists mate. You've been telt.
 


But what evidence is there for the alternate theory flat earthers cling to? None.
More evidence than there is for a spinning globe is a space vacuum rotating about a near 1 million mile diameter sun 93 million miles distant.
Utter nonsense but it has gained mass opinion and adherence. Like a religion.

Our own resident even admits there is nothing.
Nothing that will be accepted by an ardent global believer.

But you dig under the covers and you have a ice dome that can reflect the heat of the sun (which is actually under the surface of a flat earth) but doesn't melt
Why would it melt? It's encased in crystals and and super carbon...etc.

, even though it is -272 degrees c. You can't approach where this meets the ground because it is too cold, but nobody has ever documented such a place.

I don't know what temperature it would be externally to it but it would be super cold/freezing as you ascend the gradient towards the inner energy. You'd be dead and machinery rendered useless so far up due to no reflective energy hitting you as the dome curve angles it away.


Nobody has ever found any evidence of this place either. You dig and dig and it becomes more and more fantasy and unlikely, importantly with zero evidence.
Maybe some do know what's what. Maybe telescopes of the highest order and highest elevation can see the source through reflection off the dome.
That's a guess but it wouldn't surprise me.
What possesses someone to take something with a hell of a lot of evidence, dismiss that evidence, claim zero evidence and then replace it with a fantasy for which there is zero evidence?
Easy. There is no genuine evidence of a spinning global Earth. There are plenty of stories and made up equations that explain nothing in reality for this and there are films and pictures, plus plenty of models of supposed vehicles showing us a supposed reality.
And then you have mass indoctrination to follow this train of thought, then it becomes most people's reality who will argue it as long as they have references to go from.

The internet and books and such offer all of this. It's easy to argue for but it does not make it a reality.
The worst thing is, you ask them how a basic works, like night and day, then why is it night in one place and day in the other under a dome we can all see, and they can't. Even in their own heads it doesn't work but they cling to it.
It can be explained in a few alternate models but it's not accepted as an explanation because the global model comes back into the equation, even though the massive twisting of the model becomes more nonsensical as the model is fitted into the story.

I still think it is what I said near the start of the thread, in their own mind it elevates them to something special, because they are not content with their place in life at the moment.
A psychology course to boot, eh?

It fills a need, especially on the internet where it gets them attention.
 
:D :D this is why I find flat (or completely unknown but not a globe) earthers fascinating.

In the last few days we have debunked all modern education as just repeating facts that people are told. Right up to PhD and beyond, apparently that is just what people do. No new discovery, no proofs, just repeating the given words for the greater good. The greater good. And our luminary showing us this lie will not be deterred from this stubborn thought despite having very limited knowledge of the education system and can't accept that other people have a lot of knowledge about modern education. He also can't accept that anyone else has a lot of knowledge about astronomy, mathematics, physics, thermodynamics, how pumps and vacuums work etc. He will not be deterred. Why? Because if you can say add education is bollocks, then all knowledge, maths and science is bollocks and then anything derived from them, like the shape of the earth, is bollocks. It doesn't matter that the same maths and science are used at ground level for engineering all the time, it is bollocks and people are just following a "nice story" that they have been told to repeat, as if science is really just like Hansel and Grettle.

Why? Because there are things about how the world, solar system and universe works that he simply doesn't understand. Written off as bollocks, problem solved.

But then you look at what it is replaced with. Go to the covid forum and you will see a lot of discussion. Masks may have benefit, they may not. Covid may be worse than flu, flu may be being classed as covid, not a risk to the under 30s etc etc. There are a number of different views but agree with them or not, there is at least some evidence for every view point (except the really nutty ones of owning DNA patents and 5G magic chips), and it provides discussion. People weight up the evidence in different ways but most at least acknowledge there is at least some evidence for the other view point.

But what evidence is there for the alternate theory flat earthers cling to? None. Our own resident even admits there is nothing. But you dig under the covers and you have a ice dome that can reflect the heat of the sun (which is actually under the surface of a flat earth) but doesn't melt, even though it is -272 degrees c. You can't approach where this meets the ground because it is too cold, but nobody has ever documented such a place. In the middle there is projection central where there is a convenient hole in the weather and everything we see in the sky is projected on the dome. Nobody has ever found any evidence of this place either. You dig and dig and it becomes more and more fantasy and unlikely, importantly with zero evidence.

What possesses someone to take something with a hell of a lot of evidence, dismiss that evidence, claim zero evidence and then replace it with a fantasy for which there is zero evidence? The worst thing is, you ask them how a basic works, like night and day, then why is it night in one place and day in the other under a dome we can all see, and they can't. Even in their own heads it doesn't work but they cling to it. I still think it is what I said near the start of the thread, in their own mind it elevates them to something special, because they are not content with their place in life at the moment. It fills a need, especially on the internet where it gets them attention.
Aye there is someone on the corinavirus forum saying viruses don't exist or certainly don't make you ill, covid or indeed a cold is just your body randomly cleansing itself.
This fella here is another level like.
 
Aye there is someone on the corinavirus forum saying viruses don't exist or certainly don't make you ill, covid or indeed a cold is just your body randomly cleansing itself.
This fella here is another level like.
How do you know there's another level that he's on? 🤔 Maybe we are all on the same level but in different dimensions? 😉🤣
 
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I can't help you on this because there is no edge to what I go with.
You'd think planes would fly over the north and south poles to make journeys shorter...but they don't.

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Jesus wept you are a moron, planes fly routes where they can where possible divert to an airport in case of an emergency this is difficult at the South pole. There were flights over the north pole (singapore to newark) you moron. And insulting every brave astronaut accusing them of lying and acting is frankly awful. You are an utter dickhead
 
More evidence than there is for a spinning globe is a space vacuum rotating about a near 1 million mile diameter sun 93 million miles distant.
Utter nonsense but it has gained mass opinion and adherence. Like a religion.


Nothing that will be accepted by an ardent global believer.


Why would it melt? It's encased in crystals and and super carbon...etc.



I don't know what temperature it would be externally to it but it would be super cold/freezing as you ascend the gradient towards the inner energy. You'd be dead and machinery rendered useless so far up due to no reflective energy hitting you as the dome curve angles it away.




Maybe some do know what's what. Maybe telescopes of the highest order and highest elevation can see the source through reflection off the dome.
That's a guess but it wouldn't surprise me.

Easy. There is no genuine evidence of a spinning global Earth. There are plenty of stories and made up equations that explain nothing in reality for this and there are films and pictures, plus plenty of models of supposed vehicles showing us a supposed reality.
And then you have mass indoctrination to follow this train of thought, then it becomes most people's reality who will argue it as long as they have references to go from.

The internet and books and such offer all of this. It's easy to argue for but it does not make it a reality.

It can be explained in a few alternate models but it's not accepted as an explanation because the global model comes back into the equation, even though the massive twisting of the model becomes more nonsensical as the model is fitted into the story.


A psychology course to boot, eh?
Oh, now this bit of maths I can do and I hope we agree on. You say there is zero evidence for a global earth and there is more evidence for your flat dome earth than a globe, so that does mean you have some evidence for a dome projector and flat earth.

Can you provide that for us?
 
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