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PSR whinging

Fetch Fletch said:
They didn’t give a monkeys until they realised they couldn’t buy success at the rate they wanted
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This ^^

Posted on similar grounds yesterday:

Just saw yet another article about it on the BBC. Bored of the ‘hard done by’ attitude. If it was genuinely about fairness then I could get behind it, particularly as my own club (Wolves) have sold off some of the best players I’ve ever seen at Molineux in recent years (due to a combo of PSR and bigger clubs coming in).

But when the complaints are just masking the frustration that they can’t blow all other clubs out of the water in an attempt to buy the league, it feels a tad disingenuous.
 

Keith S30S said:
The irony is they bought 19 year old Minteh for €7M in 2023. Sold him a year later for £30M. Made the thick end of £26M on him.

The problem is it's a one off. Apart from him they've mainly bought finished products in their mid 20's. Their value will either stay the same or go down.

They paid a lot for a young Isak. It's time to cash in but their ego won't allow it.
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If I were Liverpool I'd come back and offer them a lower amount of deadline day. They don't need him, they just want him. Newcastle are the ones that need to shift Isak, as he's going to hold up their spending power and PSR limits while sat on the books collecting wages. They need his wages gone and a nice big fee.
 
Windypants said:
Didn't Newcastle vote in favour of PSR?
I'm not sure how Newcastle getting relegated wasn't a better protection for the top 6 to the threat posed by Newcastle than PSR was. The mags got relegated the year PSR started, just for clarity.
Did the big 6 really view Mike Ashley's freshly relegated club as that big a threat that they engineered the whole PSR system to protect themselves from him?
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so if the rules don't protect the top teams why are they the only teams able to spend big money year in year out ? the other teams in the prem voted for it i agree , most are happy to take scraps from he trough, as long as they can sit at the trough, the average record signings in top 6 is 90 million and the rest is about 40 million , fair enough it makes life hard for our nearest and dearest also villa and forest , it restricts real competition and protects the elite imo
 
Just spoke to a Mag (decent lad -I kna!) who said “we can’t spend our money”
Pointed out they were one of the sides that voted for financial responsibility and he said he didn’t know that ?
Has there been recent changes to the system -?
 
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The Great Soprendo said:
If that's true then why did Newcastle vote in favour of its introduction?
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why did they all ? i don't think they realised how restrictive it would be , rules weren't really enforced until the take over maybe they are happy to take the money and not worry about showing ambition , if you think about it up until this season its pretty much a closed shop
 
gastap said:
why did they all ? i don't think they realised how restrictive it would be , rules weren't really enforced until the take over maybe they are happy to take the money and not worry about showing ambition , if you think about it up until this season its pretty much a closed shop
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So they want to join said “ closed shop “?that they are complaining about ?
It does seem a strange system tbf
 
Keith S30S said:
😂 But but cartel 🤣

You've been listening to mag whoppers for far too long.

PSR was voted in by 13 Premier clubs, including NUFC in 2013. The mags were taken over in 2021.

How exactly did the top clubs bring in PSR to protect themselves from Newcastle 8 years before they were taken over?
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if you look at the big picture it effects other clubs showing ambition including villa and forest , rules weren't acted upon until 22-23 really , and manure were let off aparently
 
gastap said:
so if the rules don't protect the top teams why are they the only teams able to spend big money year in year out ? the other teams in the prem voted for it i agree , most are happy to take scraps from he trough, as long as they can sit at the trough, the average record signings in top 6 is 90 million and the rest is about 40 million , fair enough it makes life hard for our nearest and dearest also villa and forest , it restricts real competition and protects the elite imo
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Firstly, who do you consider to be 'the elite'? I'm making the assumption that you're talking about Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Man U, Man C and Liverpool? How did being 'protected' work out for Spurs and Man U, last season? There have always been dynasties in football. There will continue to be dynasties. In the nineties, Everton were part of the big six; not so much, these days. It's difficult to make the step from champo to PL and difficult to make the step from PL to PL contender. It isn't overnight and you can't do it just with money. You have to build from foundations and create infrastructure.

Other teams regularly finish in the top six in the league, so it's clearly possible. Sustainability is the challenge for such sides. This is going to be incremental, over time, and it's going to be based on a lot more than a big bag of cash. Aston Villa are pretty close... average league final position of 5.67 over the last three seasons. How many seasons do Aston Villa need to finish above 'the elite' / in the top six before they fall into that gang?
 
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Windypants said:
Firstly, who do you consider to be 'the elite'? I'm making the assumption that you're talking about Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Man U, Man C and Liverpool? How did being 'protected' work out for Spurs and Man U, last season? There have always been dynasties in football. There will continue to be dynasties. In the nineties, Everton were part of the big six; not so much, these days. It's difficult to make the step from champo to PL and difficult to make the step from PL to PL contender. It isn't overnight and you can't do it just with money. You have to build from foundations and create infrastructure.

Other teams regularly finish in the top six in the league, so it's clearly possible. Sustainability is the challenge for such sides. This is going to be incremental, over time, and it's going to be based on a lot more than a big bag of cash. Aston Villa are pretty close... average league final position of 5.67 over the last three seasons. How many seasons do Aston Villa need to finish above 'the elite' / in the top six before they fall into that gang?
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I reckon there are 5 clubs in this country that can justifiabley call themselves the "elite".
3 of them have longevity and history to back it up, and 2 bought their way in with Russian and Middle Eastern money before the rules were tightened.

Liverpool
Man U.
Arsenal.

And then

Man C.
Chelski.
 
Windypants said:
Firstly, who do you consider to be 'the elite'? I'm making the assumption that you're talking about Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Man U, Man C and Liverpool? How did being 'protected' work out for Spurs and Man U, last season? There have always been dynasties in football. There will continue to be dynasties. In the nineties, Everton were part of the big six; not so much, these days. It's difficult to make the step from champo to PL and difficult to make the step from PL to PL contender. It isn't overnight and you can't do it just with money. You have to build from foundations and create infrastructure.

Other teams regularly finish in the top six in the league, so it's clearly possible. Sustainability is the challenge for such sides. This is going to be incremental, over time, and it's going to be based on a lot more than a big bag of cash. Aston Villa are pretty close... average league final position of 5.67 over the last three seasons. How many seasons do Aston Villa need to finish above 'the elite' / in the top six before they fall into that gang?
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Villa selling there players man utd spending nearly 200 million. Spurs nearly 150 million , all paying average wages off 100k a week for players , they are protected because they made there big investments and pushed there brand on the back of it continued success before restrictions kicked in
Lower teams cant compete with wages of the elite and get there top players cherry picked
Do you think Man City could get the success they have achieved if they started today ?
 
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