Passing on tickets to gain points

[Bladecat]

Imagine if Blackburn only give us 3k for Boxing day

On the grounds of safety, ensuring not many fall down the holes ?

 

[Chop Sauce]

Most people moaning don’t go.

people are going on like we are man united and have 20,000 fans applying for each away game.

Millwall away just went to season ticket holders with 0 points.

If you have just bought a season ticket this season and don’t have any points you can still get to 8/9 away games each season. Compared to some other clubs that’s amazing.

It’s the same argument all the time , this only comes about when certain people can’t pick and choose the local games they want to go to.

It’s boring .

Exactly.

 

[Definitely Maybe]

My branch doesn’t always have a bus on but they'll sort tickets for anyone who wants one if they’re a member. We’ve got loads of members who don’t even have season tickets. Just the way it’s always been.

Yeah. I haven't been part of a branch for years but I'm thinking you need X number of seats filled to make it viable - presume quite a high % in the current climate - and if you don't have enough to make it worthwhile running then everyone has to sort their own transport, I.e. expensive trains, which means cheaper trains sell out quicker for everyone and people who aren't as well off can't go. Lots of branch members I know/knew were either elderly or young who would struggle to arrange their own travel aand the branch was a real community for them. That's more important than a small number of people farming points.

 

[arthursboy]

The ticket I get are always from someone who has max points and sells them on, he attends about 50% of the games himself.
When I go it’s always the same faces week in week out, I don’t see it working any other way.
No matter how pissed off these people are they return the next week, they are loyal and mad.
The club sometimes take advantage of this aswell as they offer points to non away games on occasion knowing the pull it has on people to retain top points.

 

[nyron4england]

The ticket I get are always from someone who has max points and sells them on, he attends about 50% of the games himself.
When I go it’s always the same faces week in week out, I don’t see it working any other way.
No matter how pissed off these people are they return the next week, they are loyal and mad.
The club sometimes take advantage of this aswell as they offer points to non away games on occasion knowing the pull it has on people to retain top points.

people got points for going to a f***ing lasses home game the other week ffs. using the point to make sure it wasn't empty.

 

[Towers76]

A fan is still going and the ticket has been paid for so the club can't/won't do anything. As above it's really up to people to stop which they won't, if I was sitting on high points I'd also want to keep it that way. For the record I have low points so can only really go to the oddball ones.

You wouldn’t be saying this if you were on a decent level of points and were missing out to someone on next to no points

Actually the people doing this are acting for the wider fan base cause it means those of us who aren’t able to have season tickets can still get tickets for away games. I think it’s a great thing and long may it continue!

Absolute bollocks statement which I assume was intended to wind people up

people are going on like we are man united and have 20,000 fans applying for each away game.

Millwall away just went to season ticket holders with 0 points.

If you have just bought a season ticket this season and don’t have any points you can still get to 8/9 away games each season. Compared to some other clubs that’s amazing.

It’s the same argument all the time , this only comes about when certain people can’t pick and choose the local games they want to go to.

It’s boring .

It’s not about picking and choosing for many people. Sure some just want Leeds and Hull but the majority want fairness in distribution and get angry when they hear stories of loyalty numbers being so freely passed on. This abuse of the system is being perpetrated by fellow fans ffs.

Sledgehammer to crack a nut I think.

The thumb print thing is completely unworkable and will never happen (how do we convince every other club to invest in thumb print scanners?). ID checks would be a massive pain in the arse when everyone turns up at 2:55pm pissed.

The branches essentially sell ticket and travel packages using accounts people with high numbers. It isn't ideal but the alternative is they'd never be about to fill a bus and everyone would suffer. It's a fairly minor issue that would have massive implications.

I love this bus argument. So non branch members should miss out on a ticket because someone wants to fill a bus?? Surely it’s more important that the most loyal fans get the chance to buy a ticket. Don’t forget non branch members also need to organise their own transport.

 

[shootsitgoeswide]

You wouldn’t be saying this if you were on a decent level of points and were missing out to someone on next to no points

Absolute bollocks statement which I assume was intended to wind people up

It’s not about picking and choosing for many people. Sure some just want Leeds and Hull but the majority want fairness in distribution and get angry when they hear stories of loyalty numbers being so freely passed on. This abuse of the system is being perpetrated by fellow fans ffs.

I love this bus argument. So non branch members should miss out on a ticket because someone wants to fill a bus?? Surely it’s more important that the most loyal fans get the chance to buy a ticket. Don’t forget non branch members also need to organise their own transport.

This is only a problem when games sell out on high points , 10/11 games a season go to 0 points so everyone gets a ticket and a chance to gain points …. But no one wants to go to these games and build their own points and then see someone get a ticket off a “high point” mate by luck and start kicking off , you have multiple opportunities to build your own points to get into the top 2000 , it doesn’t take long but people don’t want to put the effort in.

They Just want to go to Leeds away and take the huff because someone got a ticket in front of them.


it’s not a closed shop.

 

[Gasteiz]

The ticket I get are always from someone who has max points and sells them on, he attends about 50% of the games himself.
When I go it’s always the same faces week in week out, I don’t see it working any other way.
No matter how pissed off these people are they return the next week, they are loyal and mad.
The club sometimes take advantage of this aswell as they offer points to non away games on occasion knowing the pull it has on people to retain top points.

I go to about 5 southern aways a season and you are right same faces every game.

The lads I get mine off are on around 53 points and haven’t been to an away all season probably didn’t go last season either.

Their next away will be a new ground, possible promotion decider and possible play off..

 

[hank williams]

Surely if you got the tickets you get the loyalty point anyway

If you can’t make it surely it’s ok to pass your ticket on to someone who can

 

[Hawkings Boots]

I go to about 5 southern aways a season and you are right same faces every game.

The lads I get mine off are on around 53 points and haven’t been to an away all season probably didn’t go last season either.

Their next away will be a new ground, possible promotion decider and possible play off..

I don't understand their logic to be honest

Yes - they have done their miles at one point but surely if you're a supporter you want to go to the games rather than just hoard the points to pick and choose?

Surely if you got the tickets you get the loyalty point anyway

If you can’t make it surely it’s ok to pass your ticket on to someone who can

Pass on at no cost - yes

Sell on - then the point should go to the ticket purchaser

It's amazing how many of our fans suddenly have commitments that they cannot get out of that only come to light immediately after purchasing their ticket

 

[nyron4england]

I love this bus argument. So non branch members should miss out on a ticket because someone wants to fill a bus?? Surely it’s more important that the most loyal fans get the chance to buy a ticket. Don’t forget non branch members also need to organise their own transport.

considering the vast majority of the regulars are branch members, it's not an argument. when there's only 500 or so go to some backwater third round cup replay against somewhere like plymouth on a tuesday night guess how most get there. you guessed, a branch bus.

i don't really see how we've ended up in a situation where people feel the need to slate the very organisations designed to help sunderland supporters just because they can't get a ticket to a really convenient game. as a previous poster mentioned, there's plenty opportunity to get tickets for games and build up your points. then it doesn't matter

 

[Gasteiz]

I don't understand their logic to be honest

Yes - they have done their miles at one point but surely if you're a supporter you want to go to the games rather than just hoard the points to pick and choose?

Pass on at no cost - yes

Sell on - then the point should go to the ticket purchaser

It's amazing how many of our fans suddenly have commitments that they cannot get out of that only come to light immediately after purchasing their ticket

They harvest points mainly for one potential away clash next season.

 

[hank williams]

I don't understand their logic to be honest

Yes - they have done their miles at one point but surely if you're a supporter you want to go to the games rather than just hoard the points to pick and choose?

Pass on at no cost - yes

Sell on - then the point should go to the ticket purchaser

It's amazing how many of our fans suddenly have commitments that they cannot get out of that only come to light immediately after purchasing their ticket

But surely the person who ordered the ticket from the club will get the loyalty point anyway point regardless not if gets passed on

 

[tunstallhill]

It's amazing how many of our fans suddenly have commitments that they cannot get out of that only come to light immediately after purchasing their ticket

How is it amazing how many fans do that ? Not one person has said that that happens

 

[Hawkings Boots]

But surely the person who ordered the ticket from the club will get the loyalty point anyway point regardless not if gets passed on

Yeah they do - what I was saying is that if they sell it on there should be a system so the point goes to the person who buys it - if you give it away then yeah you should get the point you have paid for

How is it amazing how many fans do that ? Not one person has said that that happens

I see 'spares' floating around for every game

People already looking to sell Millwall tickets on for nearly two weeks away - I don't belive that the people selling didn't already know what they couldnt go before they bought tickets

 

[Towers76]

This is only a problem when games sell out on high points , 10/11 games a season go to 0 points so everyone gets a ticket and a chance to gain points …. But no one wants to go to these games and build their own points and then see someone get a ticket off a “high point” mate by luck and start kicking off , you have multiple opportunities to build your own points to get into the top 2000 , it doesn’t take long but people don’t want to put the effort in.

They Just want to go to Leeds away and take the huff because someone got a ticket in front of them.


it’s not a closed shop.

Did I say it was a closed shop? You are missing the point though. The biggest impact of fans passing on the loyalty points is felt by guys in the say 25-50 range of points. These lads have been to plenty of the grounds that you would mention - they must have been to circa 60/65% games over the last few years. These are the next most loyal group of fans after the phase 1 regulars. They’ve done the miles but are still missing out and yes it only matters on the high points matches - that’s obvious isn’t it. Reality is it shouldn’t be happening and there’s enough posts to suggest it happens a lot. That said I would agree with other posts that suggest the majority of high pointers go to all of the games that they buy tickets for.

 

[one footed wonder]

If they did one thing with the selling of tickets it should be actually sorting out and having reasonable phases.

Lumping in all season card holders with lads and lasses with say 25,30 points or whatever just feels wrong.

People would say where do you draw the line which is a fair question but some of the phasing just feels unfair

 

[Towers76]

considering the vast majority of the regulars are branch members, it's not an argument. when there's only 500 or so go to some backwater third round cup replay against somewhere like plymouth on a tuesday night guess how most get there. you guessed, a branch bus.

i don't really see how we've ended up in a situation where people feel the need to slate the very organisations designed to help sunderland supporters just because they can't get a ticket to a really convenient game. as a previous poster mentioned, there's plenty opportunity to get tickets for games and build up your points. then it doesn't matter

Another guy who assumes that anyone who thinks the system is being abused must want a ticket for an easy match to get to. I’ve answered your other points in my last post but frankly I’m not slagging off all branches. I just want fairness across the distribution so all fans on an equal number of points have a fair chance and an end to the system being abused

Surely if you got the tickets you get the loyalty point anyway

If you can’t make it surely it’s ok to pass your ticket on to someone who can

Of course it is but that’s not what we are talking about. It’s guys who allow their numbers to be used and have no intention of going to the game at any point. These tickets get passed down to other fans with next to no points.

 

[BarnesPark]

I’ve seen that happen.

See this all the time. People buying kids Season Cards when they’re 16 or over essentially defrauding the club.

 

[Hawkings Boots]

If they did one thing with the selling of tickets it should be actually sorting out and having reasonable phases.

Lumping in all season card holders with lads and lasses with say 25,30 points or whatever just feels wrong.

People would say where do you draw the line which is a fair question but some of the phasing just feels unfair

Agreed - I'm on 16 which I know isn't a lot compared to others but they have cost me a lot of time and money and to be lumped in with a STH who has never been to an away is crap

Must be even worse for someone on 24