Pakistan v England 3rd Test

[Thunder Road]

Exactly no where near.

It’s all about opinions and what ifs, but there is no historical evidence whatsoever to suggest if we took a more sedate approach the result would have been any different, and we did for years and years in Asia bar the odd occasion and still got well beaten.

Once them last two tests were wickets where spinners actually opened the bowling such was the massive favourable conditions in their favour we were going to struggle.

Hopefully been the main word and I am not soo sure

Just not enough incentive for a CC to produce spinners

 

[Inside Forward]

The McCullum/Stokes honeymoon is over I’m afraid. The level of batting we have in England just isn’t good enough when it’s difficult. NZ can win a series in India without Kane Williamson and produce quality batters with very little resource. We can’t. Embarassing.

Exactly. People slagging off County Cricket. Don’t tell me that New Zealand’s first class competition is better.

 

[brandon]

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Sajid Khan looks like a pantomime villain and acts like a knob at times but on that pitch he, and Noman Ali, were virtually unplayable.

Let’s be honest, it was the England batsmen, not the pitch, that made them look virtually unplayable.

 

[Voice of fair play]

They has to be some credit give to both them bowlers mind, as what I was watching was quality spin bowling by the pair of them on favourable conditions.

When in test cricket spin bowlers open the bowling from either end, I think it’s fair to say the pitch is going to be very helpful indeed to spin bowling

 

[taipeisafc]

Pope scored 55 across 5 innings - average 11
Stokes scored 53 across 4 innings - average 13.75.

Neither will have Root worried about breaking his record.

Pope has looked pretty awful for those 55 runs looked like a walking wicket most of the time

 

[chopsfc007]

They has to be some credit give to both them bowlers mind, as what I was watching was quality spin bowling by the pair of them on favourable conditions.

When in test cricket spin bowlers open the bowling from either end, I think it’s fair to say the pitch is going to be very helpful indeed to spin bowling

Do you think we will beat new Zealand

 

[Voice of fair play]

Do you think we will beat new Zealand

Not sure mate, not if they produce turning wickets

 

[Parkside]

They has to be some credit give to both them bowlers mind, as what I was watching was quality spin bowling by the pair of them on favourable conditions.

When in test cricket spin bowlers open the bowling from either end, I think it’s fair to say the pitch is going to be very helpful indeed to spin bowling

Seem to remember the consensus of opinion was that the team that won the toss would win the game. England's bottom half of the order managed 167 runs in their 1st innings,Pakistan's slightly more. That suggests that the pitch wasn't the minefield that you're making out.
England's abject surrender was down to the old motto.
Fail to prepare,prepare to fail.
New Zealand appear to be able to compete in sub-continent conditions .

 

[Fleagle]

One thing I find odd in cricket is the toss. I get the fact they have to decide somehow but I think it is too much of an advantage that if you win you can decide to bat or bowl. I reckon if you win the toss you bat would be fairer.

An even more radical change, but one that would create a massive disincentive for any ground authority to prepare a pitch where it mattered who batted first, whether an Ahmedabad dust bowl or a Trent Bridge green top, would be to revert to the 18th century law, which was
“The party which goes from Home shall have the choice of the innings”

 

[Parkside]

An even more radical change, but one that would create a massive disincentive for any ground authority to prepare a pitch where it mattered who batted first, whether an Ahmedabad dust bowl or a Trent Bridge green top, would be to revert to the 18th century law, which was
“The party which goes from Home shall have the choice of the innings”

Hardly a radical change.They tried exactly that in English county cricket a few years back and it was quickly revoked.

 

[Fleagle]

Fail to prepare,prepare to fail.
New Zealand appear to be able to compete in sub-continent conditions .

New Zealand didn’t prepare either, they were straight into the first test as well. Nobody does anymore. Those days are gone. You need to look elsewhere for the reason why England players can’t play spin in the subcontinent.

Hardly a radical change.They tried exactly that in English county cricket a few years back and it was quickly revoked.

They half did it. You could choose to bowl first, or toss to bat first. But it would be a radical change in what it would do to test cricket.

 

[Mr Redknapp]

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[Parkside]

New Zealand didn’t prepare either, they were straight into the first test as well. Nobody does anymore. Those days are gone. You need to look elsewhere for the reason why England players can’t play spin in the subcontinent.

They half did it. You could choose to bowl first, or toss to bat first. But it would be a radical change in what it would do to test cricket.

Clearly New Zealand were prepared. England clearly had known issues with spin. Clearly they haven't tried to address them.
Unless you can replicate sub-continent conditions at home then you have to revert to going earlier to the country

 

[scotch]

Mccullum pretty much saying Pope is batting 3 in NZ.
Stokes insisting the 6 best batters are there (guess that makes Cox 7)

Clearly New Zealand were prepared. England clearly had known issues with spin. Clearly they haven't tried to address them.
Unless you can replicate sub-continent conditions at home then you have to revert to going earlier to the country

 

[Durham-Mackem41]

How bad does Pope have to get before he gets dropped. It’s becoming a closed shop with the batting no consequences for repeated failure.

 

[Aidan11]

It's the county championship's fault.

Rumour was Rob Key was on the phone to Andrew Strauss within minutes of the defeat.

 

[JackL]

Best thing about the result I guess is that it dispelled all the nonsense about the toss deciding the result

 

[Voice of fair play]

Seem to remember the consensus of opinion was that the team that won the toss would win the game. England's bottom half of the order managed 167 runs in their 1st innings,Pakistan's slightly more. That suggests that the pitch wasn't the minefield that you're making out.
England's abject surrender was down to the old motto.
Fail to prepare,prepare to fail.
New Zealand appear to be able to compete in sub-continent conditions .

Wasn’t saying it was a minefield but was saying it massively favoured spin bowling which it must have been with spinners opening the bowling and they spinners a lot better than ours.

 

[Parkside]

Wasn’t saying it was a minefield but was saying it massively favoured spin bowling which it must have been with spinners opening the bowling and they spinners a lot better than ours.

"Very helpful to spin bowling", " minefield " semantics surely. Doesn't alter the fact that the tail in both team's 1st innings survived and flourished on it.
You don't accept it was a meek surrender?

 

[Mr Redknapp]

Best thing about the result I guess is that it dispelled all the nonsense about the toss deciding the result

Kind of relieved really, shows it could have still happened in the 2nd test. Don't want to look for excuses.