Oxford vaccine

[FootballFan]

‘It doesn’t seem up to the same level of the others’.

That is factually incorrect.

"The efficacy of the Oxford vaccine doesnt seem up to the same level of the other ones iirc, but lets hope it does the trick."

Nice try, but thats what I said.

 

[bahtat]

Qantas have already said you must be vaccinated to fly with them. Other countries may insist you must be vaccinated to enter their country.

Leisure - things like cinema, the match, theatre, concerts etc. It's been mentioned that if people were vaccinated or recently negatively tested, it would be safer letting them back into such venues.

Airlines requiring vaccination to travel won’t be the real problem, countries requiring it before allowing entry to their country will be the big obstacle, this was what happened when there was an outbreak of smallpox in uk in 1980’s, incidentally the last recorded outbreak In the world

 

[Frankel]

"The efficacy of the Oxford vaccine doesnt seem up to the same level of the other ones iirc, but lets hope it does the trick."

Nice try, but thats what I said.

So you’re still incorrect.

 

[FootballFan]

So you’re still incorrect.

how so? correct what I've said wrong then

 

[Frankel]

how so? correct what I've said wrong then

That is doesn’t seem up to the level of the others. It is.

 

[bahtat]

He also said we are going to need all of the vaccines.

1m Chinese have already had an "emergency" vaccine some paying £45 and it was rumoured Russia who have already registered their vaccine for emergency use was vaccinating the Army.

Russia has not got a track record of developing vaccines, in fact they have never developed one up until now, anyone remember the stories about Oxford computers being hacked

That is doesn’t seem up to the level of the others. It is.

In fact it’s better, protects u and is considerably cheaper to produce and distribute

 

[FootballFan]

That is doesn’t seem up to the level of the others. It is.

How so?

AstraZeneca's Oxford coronavirus vaccine is 70% effective on average, data shows, with no safety concerns

Drugmaker AstraZeneca announced on Monday that its experimental coronavirus vaccine has shown an average efficacy of 70% in large scale trials -- the latest of several vaccine trials worldwide to post their results this month.

edition.cnn.com

 

[Frankel]

How so?

It offers similar efficacy levels, is cheaper and easier to store. They are also confident it can stop asymptomatic spreading.

Excellent results which shouldn’t be viewed as ‘seeming not to be up to the same level’.

 

[FootballFan]

It offers similar efficacy levels, is cheaper and easier to store. They are also confident it can stop asymptomatic spreading.

Excellent results which shouldn’t be viewed as ‘seeming not to be up to the same level’.

See above, it really doesnt.

Its a good vaccine but not up to the efficacy level of the others.

 

[Frankel]

Also as part of that very article:

The vaccine, developed with the University of Oxford, showed 90% efficacy in one dosing regimen -- when the vaccine was given to 2,741 people as a half dose, followed by a full dose at least a month later

See above, it really doesnt.

Its a good vaccine but not up to the efficacy level of the others.

It really does.

 

[FootballFan]

Also as part of that very article:

The vaccine, developed with the University of Oxford, showed 90% efficacy in one dosing regimen -- when the vaccine was given to 2,741 people as a half dose, followed by a full dose at least a month later


It really does.

that rate was based on trials of only 2,000 people. Its suspect to say the least.

Later in the article - " efficacy rates of 62% to 90%" is the takeaway

 

[Frankel]

that rate was based on trials of only 2,000 people. Its suspect to say the least.

Later in the article - " efficacy rates of 62% to 90%" is the takeaway

Crack on. Literally no point discussing it if it’s ‘suspect to say the least’.

 

[FootballFan]

Crack on. Literally no point discussing it if it’s ‘suspect to say the least’.

ok

 

[pillars of hercules]

A worldwide vaccine developed in this time?? For a virus they cant even do a specific test for, aye ok

lol

See above, it really doesnt.

Its a good vaccine but not up to the efficacy level of the others.

If 2 separate verified trials have been undertaken and one gave 90% efficacy it will be every bit as effective as other vaccines and probably more so. If it's easier and cheaper to produce, easier to transport and store and reduces transmission then this is the most promising announcement so far.

 

[FootballFan]

If 2 separate verified trials have been undertaken and one gave 90% efficacy it will be every bit as effective as other vaccines and probably more so. If it's easier and cheaper to produce, easier to transport and store and reduces transmission then this is the most promising announcement so far.

You sound like the Sun journo in the presser.

 

[pillars of hercules]

You sound like the Sun journo in the presser.

Couldn't think of a witty comeback but you've said nowt constructive, or given no argument as to why the other vaccines are better

Crack on. Literally no point discussing it if it’s ‘suspect to say the least’.

Exactly. 2000 is a decent statistical sample size.

 

[FootballFan]

Couldn't think of a witty comeback but you've said nowt constructive, or given no argument as to why the other vaccines are better

I'm just going by the efficacy rates, not sure what you are going by, sun journalism by the sound of it.

 

[The Rat]

Airlines requiring vaccination to travel won’t be the real problem, countries requiring it before allowing entry to their country will be the big obstacle, this was what happened when there was an outbreak of smallpox in uk in 1980’s, incidentally the last recorded outbreak In the world

Bit of both I reckon

Aye but some of the countries in Asia, I'd say there is close to 0% chance of getting in without a vaccine, I don't think they will open their borders up for a long time anyway

 

[pillars of hercules]

I'm just going by the efficacy rates, not sure what you are going by, sun journalism by the sound of it.

If you want to try and put me down then go for it, but reap what you sow the choice is yours.

The differences in efficacy, slender as they are, will make no difference in the effectiveness of the treatment. Seems like you're just being a dick

 

[SA96]

So they messed up the samples. How on earth can they be trusted with a vaccine.

I will stick with the US vaccine.

America is the greatest nation in the world.