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Out or Not Out?


Bit different circumstances- but I'm old enough to remember the first World Cup Final in 1975 when Roy Fredericks hooked Lillee for six early on and accidentally trod on his wicket in doing so.
 
On the basis the ball was not dead and the batsman is in his shot still must be out I would have thought, Any umpires on the board
 
essex boy said:
On the basis the ball was not dead and the batsman is in his shot still must be out I would have thought, Any umpires on the board
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Think that’s your two key questions.

If the ball has already gone for six it’s no longer in play so it’s definitely not out. And it’s debatable from the sideways on that it’s still part of his shot. In which case not out again. Law 35.2 says not out if “it occurs after the striker has completed any action in receiving the delivery” which for me is the end of his follow through swing when he’s fully in control so not anything after that. It’s like dropping a ball five seconds after you’ve taken taken a fair catch, while you’re doing something else. Doesn’t matter.
 
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Fleagle said:
Think that’s your two key questions.

If the ball has already gone for six it’s no longer in play so it’s definitely not out. And it’s debatable from the sideways on that it’s still part of his shot. In which case not out again. Law 35.2 says not out if “it occurs after the striker has completed any action in receiving the delivery” which for me is the end of his follow through swing so not anything after that. It’s like dropping a ball five seconds after you’ve taken taken a fair catch, while you’re doing something else. Doesn’t matter.
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Umpire can only signal 6 when the ball hits the ground and is deemed dead.

Not when it goes over the boundary technically still in play.

The appeal for hit wicket happened before the ball was dead and any signal given.

So OUT.
 
Fleagle said:
Think that’s your two key questions.

If the ball has already gone for six it’s no longer in play so it’s definitely not out. And it’s debatable from the sideways on that it’s still part of his shot. In which case not out again. Law 35.2 says not out if “it occurs after the striker has completed any action in receiving the delivery” which for me is the end of his follow through swing when he’s fully in control so not anything after that. It’s like dropping a ball five seconds after you’ve taken taken a fair catch, while you’re doing something else. Doesn’t matter.
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I would disagree that he has completed his action though as he has walked backwards on completing his action where his bat hit the wicket
 
Iamme said:
Umpire can only signal 6 when the ball hits the ground and is deemed dead.

Not when it goes over the boundary technically still in play.

The appeal for hit wicket happened before the ball was dead and any signal given.

So OUT.
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I said if it’s gone for six. Which is correctly as you say the instant it is grounded beyond the boundary not when it crosses in the air. But you can’t tell from the video clip whether that has happened.

Your bigger problem is that the act of breaking the wicket doesn’t fall within one of the three cases where a batter is out hit wicket if he breaks it. He’s finished playing at the ball. He’s not lawfully playing it a second time. He’s not setting off for his first run. Shouldn’t have been given for me.
 
From everything on show there, I think he’s out. The ball hadn’t landed or been signalled a six by the umpire so it’s still live and he’s hit his wicket.
 
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