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Open Letter To Ellis Short/Petition

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John J Rambo said:
We'll struggle in league 1 next season with the current regime still here. I wouldn't fancy us against any team in league 2 atm. That's a club on its last legs imo. I think we have a capable manager here now, but he's only human and trying to stem this negativity that is riddled through the club, is almost impossible without change at the very top. I agree with your last paragraph. This staying away as not putting money in shorts pocket stuff, is very narrow sighted and not the way to go about it at all. People saying that aren't going because they don't want too, not in protest.
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Based on what? He hasn't shown anything IMO to indicate he's capable - certainly not capable of working under the restrictions he finds himself under. Bolton's manager is working under harsher restrictions and has his team 7 points ahead of us. He is the type of manager we will need next season.
 

Rober33 said:
If it does then who will pick up the bill when he leaves?

We presumably still owe a decent lump of money to external debtors and if Short was to leave and take his money with him then it's likely that they would call in the administrators to try and make sure they get their money back.

Short was also putting in a good lump of money to cover the bills every month at the last accounts, assuming he still is then how would we keep the lights on if he stopped?

It's nice to have a monster to channel your anger at but it's really over simplifying things to think all of our problems can be placed at the feet of one man. That might not be a popular opinion around here but I think it's true.

That being said Short has seemingly lost interest and isn't going to continue to back us like he was so it seems the only way forward is to find new investors as quickly as possible. Who knows how or where from, the whole club is hardly seen in a great light at the minute.

Where are all the ex SAFC players/managers who have love for the club can they not do something like Quinny did to try and encourage someone to invest?

We're crying out for people with influence to act as ambassadors of the club and try and push our cause.
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I’m wondering what happens when the proverbial stick pokes the proverbial hornet’s nest and Short decides he’s had enough?

What if Bain makes that call for the latest payment and Short decides he’s no longer putting ANYTHING in? What happens to all parties then? I don’t think this will happen by the way, but if the bloke was seriously pissed off, I’m sure that may be an option open to him!

Can he just walk away and lose his money without further penalty or obligation?
 
PitYacker said:
You really think that we are getting relegated because we hired the wrong manager and that the way to stay up would be for the fans to attend games? I.e. our plight is all the managers and the fans fault?
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I think if we had employed someone like Warnock at the start of the season we wouldn't be getting relegated. In fact, I think at the start of the season, instead of poaching Preston's manager, if we had went for the person they replaced him with, Alex Neil, we wouldn't be getting relegated.

I certainly don't think if more fans attended games we would stop up, but things are going to be like this for a long time (very little/no transfer budget) until the debt is paid off. If more fans attended (especially the ones who think not going will improve our situation) then the debt would be paid off sooner, and then things would start to improve.
 
Wise Man Says said:
Well, then it puts any interested parties on notice and away we go with negotiations and a potential deal. There is obviously no guarantee of any deal even then but we have a much better chance if Short’s intentions are made publicly clear that he wants to sell. At the moment, we just look like a joke. Coleman saying one thing, Short saying another and Simon bloody Bird jumping on the bandwagon. Amateur hour. Then again, this is SAFC.
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And we'll be appeased by this then?

At the end of the day somebody has to want the club. Unfortunately I don't think anybody does, least of all the twat who actually has it. Him coming out and saying "oh well yes you can have it for handful of beans" isn't going to make a blind bit of difference when there's multi-millions of pounds worth of debt to manage. We're a badly managed, badly leveraged, badly positioned club that even the most romantic of suitors must find very unattractive.
 
Maximus said:
I’m wondering what happens when the proverbial stick pokes the proverbial hornet’s nest and Short decides he’s had enough?

What if Bain makes that call for the latest payment and Short decides he’s no longer putting ANYTHING in? What happens to all parties then? I don’t think this will happen by the way, but if the bloke was seriously pissed off, I’m sure that may be an option open to him!

Can he just walk away and lose his money without further penalty or obligation?
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Very few fans seem to consider this a possibility. Anyone is better than Short, just like anyone is better than Murray before him.
 
John J Rambo said:
I'e said in my post what it would achieve mate. Not looking for an argument as such, as you're one of the best posters on here and I normally agree with what you say, but I just can't understand why people who aren't happy won't even do something as simple and easy as this. I'm sure legally he can't just walk away either.
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Flattery will get you everywhere with me marra :)

Disagreements fine, I make my point and respond to the post rather than the poster, I never take these things personally.

I'd love to think there was something positive we could do as supporters but I think the only thing that may make some difference is getting behind the lads unconditionally for the rest of the season and hope they find the balls to do what needs to be done to keep us up.
 
WHD said:
I think if we had employed someone like Warnock at the start of the season we wouldn't be getting relegated. In fact, I think at the start of the season, instead of poaching Preston's manager, if we had went for the person they replaced him with, Alex Neil, we wouldn't be getting relegated.

I certainly don't think if more fans attended games we would stop up, but things are going to be like this for a long time (very little/no transfer budget) until the debt is paid off. If more fans attended (especially the ones who think not going will improve our situation) then the debt would be paid off sooner, and then things would start to improve.
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So what you want is for us to be the only club in British football who has no debt but are happy that we may be in the conference league because of it? All three clubs promoted last season had bigger debts, all three had a higher wage to turnover ratio, most clubs in the championship have debts, we have one of the highest incomes in the league.

You think that is better than a new owner who might just make a better job of running us?

Stop making out that we cant do anything because of this debt.
 
PitYacker said:
The problem is that investors who have no affinity with English football will just overlook us now, especially if/when we drop into League 1. The people with more money than sense who want to pile it into football want a Premier League side, they may go for a Championship side with aspirations for going up, not a League 1 side with a conference squad.
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I think after this debacle the last thing we want is someone with no affinity to English football and just sees it as a play thing or way to make money.

Does anyone know if this reduced price has stirred the Fulwell73 consortium back into interest?
 
Father Jack Hackett said:
We're getting relegated because we have a bunch of players who have a losing mentality and are in full acceptance of it very week. This filters down from the very top, from a man who has long since given up.
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He's not the man who works with them day in day out. He's not the man who picks the team and tells them what they should and should not be doing.
 
The Archer said:
I think after this debacle the last thing we want is someone with no affinity to English football and just sees it as a play thing or way to make money.

Does anyone know if this reduced price has stirred the Fulwell73 consortium back into interest?
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To be honest I would happily see us do a Man City or Chelsea not that that will happen.
 
One thing this has shown to me, is that if as a group or set of fans, we can't even agree on something as simple as signing an on line petition to show you're not happy, then finding a way to actively show your disapproval will never happen. Fans can't or won't even stand together on something as basic as this and show a united front on what ultimately we all want.
 
John J Rambo said:
One thing this has shown to me, is that if as a group or set of fans, we can't even agree on something as simple as signing an on line petition to show you're not happy, then finding a way to actively show your disapproval will never happen. Fans can't or won't even stand together on something as basic as this and show a united front on what ultimately we all want.
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Whilst I signed it, I can see why some find it futile. As has been said, we can't demand a bloke sell something he wants to sell anyway. The debt will be massively off putting anyway.
 
Rober33 said:
Someone else who's happy to criticise people for not 'taking 2 minutes to sign an online petition' but is still unable to offer any reasonable argument about what it would achieve.

What do you think about my concerns if Short was to cut his losses and walk away?

Who would cover the debt and the running costs of the club?

It's taken me far longer then 2 minutes to make a logical argument against the open letter on here, so I don't think it's a problem with time or effort I just haven't seen a decent rationale for any of this so far other than people are pissed off.

Convince me it's a good idea and that the potential good outweighs the bad and you have my complete support!
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In a word, he can't. There are practical and legal reasons why he can't demand repayment of the amount die from the club to Drumaville. Practical, in that the club's bankers would simply bounce the attempted payment, and legal, in that it would result in immediate insolvency, and the payment would represent an unfair preference under the terms of s.239 of the Insolvency Act 1986. Any administrator could and would demand the money was returned. The alternative would be to place the club in administration. Under the terms of their security, this could only be done with the permission of SBC. In administration, any football debts and SBC would be ahead of Short in the queue, and his shares would be worthless. He's lose everything. The only way he can recoup anything is via an orderly sale.
 
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