No more concerts at SOL

[Parkmaverick]

But surely if they did make money then we would still do them?

Why wouldn't they? Just to host one match at home?

The club made quite a bit of a fuss about the kudos of hosting them.

They have to have made money or else something was going on badly in the background - if DCCC can make a profit from Rod and Little Mix then we should have been able to as well.

Did that profit come after the wages of Gary the Hair? What about the wages of other staff that were primarily employed because of the gigs? If not, then that profit would be wiped out by the wages (which Martin Bain has now saved the club from paying).



This seems to be the key to it. The council were putting money into them because of the contribution to the economy within the City, but once they pulled the plug it made the gigs far less financially viable. The reality of it is that the club should only have been interested in the gigs that were sure fire sell outs with potential for 2nd nights i.e. the ginger fella that is doing 3 nights at the Mags ground, or the likes of Coldplay, Foo's, Bruce etc.

I'm not sure other than the Chilli Peppers what groups didn't get 45k and the Chillis was the third of three that summer so the stage and infrastructure was already set up. Other cities have managed to make a fist of it and now its lost to Newcastle. Something wrong here.

 

[Martin F]

I'm not sure other than the Chilli Peppers what groups didn't get 45k and the Chillis was the third of three that summer so the stage and infrastructure was already set up. Other cities have managed to make a fist of it and now its lost to Newcastle. Something wrong here.

Not necessarily, normally bands would have their own stages that are set up & taken down and moved on from stadium to stadium.

 

[Boris Bear]

They mentioned concerts when it was first announced, but I'm sure they've never been mentioned since.

it's still available for concerts but they've been pushing it as more of a community hub...I believe that is because they can draw on funding that may not otherwise be available if it was pushed a commercial venture.

My understanding is that it will be hosting concerts for up to 4.5 k people......which is more than enough for the majority of gigs out there but admittedly not for stadium concerts.

 

[riffraff]

Did that profit come after the wages of Gary the Hair? What about the wages of other staff that were primarily employed because of the gigs? If not, then that profit would be wiped out by the wages (which Martin Bain has now saved the club from paying).



This seems to be the key to it. The council were putting money into them because of the contribution to the economy within the City, but once they pulled the plug it made the gigs far less financially viable. The reality of it is that the club should only have been interested in the gigs that were sure fire sell outs with potential for 2nd nights i.e. the ginger fella that is doing 3 nights at the Mags ground, or the likes of Coldplay, Foo's, Bruce etc.

Pure profit

 

[Hull_Mackem]

They have to have made money or else something was going on badly in the background - if DCCC can make a profit from Rod and Little Mix then we should have been able to as well.



I'm not sure other than the Chilli Peppers what groups didn't get 45k and the Chillis was the third of three that summer so the stage and infrastructure was already set up. Other cities have managed to make a fist of it and now its lost to Newcastle. Something wrong here.

I know nothing of the business model and how it works (I believe the promoter just hires the stadium and they keep ticket sales). I just think why wouldn't we? If they made money so easily?

My guess would be we charged less rent then other city stadiums as we are harder to get to (not on main train line, motorway etc) so therefore had less profit margin (margin for error).

 

[Parkmaverick]

I know nothing of the business model and how it works (I believe the promoter just hires the stadium and they keep ticket sales). I just think why wouldn't we? If they made money so easily?

My guess would be we charged less rent then other city stadiums as we are harder to get to (not on main train line, motorway etc) so therefore had less profit margin (margin for error).

The first part is how I understood it the second part not so sure as some sites are in just a positon - the NE has a catchment area of 2.5 million which is bigger than say Glasgow and most of the bands that have been on were guaranteed sell outs. As I keep saying smaller venues with smaller bands are making a profit for the venue.

 

[Hull_Mackem]

The first part is how I understood it the second part not so sure as some sites are in just a positon - the NE has a catchment area of 2.5 million which is bigger than say Glasgow and most of the bands that have been on were guaranteed sell outs. As I keep saying smaller venues with smaller bands are making a profit for the venue.

I don't say I know the reasons, I just don't buy in to a conspiracy theory. If they made money, we would do it in my opinion.

Smaller venues will also have smaller overheads (utility bills, staff costs)

 

[Dan The Man]

I know nothing of the business model and how it works (I believe the promoter just hires the stadium and they keep ticket sales). I just think why wouldn't we? If they made money so easily?

My guess would be we charged less rent then other city stadiums as we are harder to get to (not on main train line, motorway etc) so therefore had less profit margin (margin for error).

How is the SOL any harde to get to than say Wembley?

 

[Hull_Mackem]

How is the SOL any harde to get to than say Wembley?

Is that a genuine question?

London has a population of millions. Virtually every train line leads there. The stadium itself has an underground station within walking distance.

Every Megabus and national express bus goes to London.

 

[SafcForeverFTM]

Is that a genuine question?

London has a population of millions. Virtually every train line leads there. The stadium itself has an underground station within walking distance.

Every Megabus and national express bus goes to London.

Yet it's a ten times quicker to get out of the SoL than Wembley

 

[Latka Gravas]

Yet it's a ten times quicker to get out of the SoL than Wembley

Not if you leave early.

 

[Parkmaverick]

I don't say I know the reasons, I just don't buy in to a conspiracy theory. If they made money, we would do it in my opinion.

Smaller venues will also have smaller overheads (utility bills, staff costs)

In terms of utilities your right for say the Academy and the 02 but the overheads the cost of Chester Cricket Ground v The Stadium will be similar as for staffing that would increase with the numbers buying tickets so the cost would be massively exceeded by the number of tickets sold.

I also don't think there's been a conspiracy I just think they have been badly run recently and the financial gains have not been as big as what they could have been.

How is the SOL any harde to get to than say Wembley?

You would have a better argument if you'd said - Glasgow as the NE catchment area is bigger but with any concert in London you have 8 million people on the tube/overland lines and many people go large concerts in London and stop a couple of nights to do the tourist things

 

[Dan The Man]

In terms of utilities your right for say the Academy and the 02 but the overheads the cost of Chester Cricket Ground v The Stadium will be similar as for staffing that would increase with the numbers buying tickets so the cost would be massively exceeded by the number of tickets sold.

I also don't think there's been a conspiracy I just think they have been badly run recently and the financial gains have not been as big as what they could have been.



You would have a better argument if you'd said - Glasgow as the NE catchment area is bigger but with any concert in London you have 8 million people on the tube/overland lines and many people go large concerts in London and stop a couple of nights to do the tourist things

I meant in respect to travelling from other parts of the country or using the train