jesus juice
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Just let them get on with it man. We call them obsessed and then watch every poxy game they are in 
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Blimey, that was a long post!Wait, so what's your rationale for Bruce doing a better job?
What I find interesting is Ashley has given Bruce more control over who he signs. I had a friend in football that told me they were going after Tammy Abraham when they came up but Ashley played funny buggers with some things that stopped it happening so they had to go for Joselu instead. He's not a mag either before people think he's pumping propaganda in my ears.
FWIW, I think in literal terms, aye they achieved about the same (mid-table same number of points) but I think if were talking about actual tacticians it's not really much of a contest. Benitez has demonstrable success throughout his career, although I don't think he'll win another trophy in his career because football hs moved on. That doesn't mean he couldn't take an Everton or a Wolves into the Champions League. He's not good at being a pro-active manager, he prefers being given a situation and working out how to stop it or limit it.
Big Stevie B just throws them a ball and puts an arm around them.
As I said before you can't really compare the squads, and even if you do I'm not sure Bruce comes out well. Perez had his best PL season under Benitez same with Rondon. Shelvey had his joint best goal return out of Shelvey so he seemed to get a tune out of him, so deserves credit for that, but I think he was also their lowest top goal-scorer in their PL history or something daft like that.
The great irony for me was watching Benitez politic against Ashley, and for the first time in his career you could say, aye maybe he's being done wrong, but he'd cried wolf so much no **** believed him.
There's also clearly a double standard with Bruce and Benitez, but I think any club that appoints Bruce is basically admitting 'we're not trying'.
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Deleted member 47406
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That's what she said.
safctommie
Winger
You’re not wrong there marra.I have to admit I do like to watch highlights but to spend two hours of my precious time watching them is not for me.Just let them get on with it man. We call them obsessed and then watch every poxy game they are in
Zinedine Kilbane
Midfield
Wait, so what's your rationale for Bruce doing a better job?
What I find interesting is Ashley has given Bruce more control over who he signs. I had a friend in football that told me they were going after Tammy Abraham when they came up but Ashley played funny buggers with some things that stopped it happening so they had to go for Joselu instead. He's not a mag either before people think he's pumping propaganda in my ears.
FWIW, I think in literal terms, aye they achieved about the same (mid-table same number of points) but I think if were talking about actual tacticians it's not really much of a contest. Benitez has demonstrable success throughout his career, although I don't think he'll win another trophy in his career because football hs moved on. That doesn't mean he couldn't take an Everton or a Wolves into the Champions League. He's not good at being a pro-active manager, he prefers being given a situation and working out how to stop it or limit it.
Big Stevie B just throws them a ball and puts an arm around them.
As I said before you can't really compare the squads, and even if you do I'm not sure Bruce comes out well. Perez had his best PL season under Benitez same with Rondon. Shelvey had his joint best goal return out of Shelvey so he seemed to get a tune out of him, so deserves credit for that, but I think he was also their lowest top goal-scorer in their PL history or something daft like that.
The great irony for me was watching Benitez politic against Ashley, and for the first time in his career you could say, aye maybe he's being done wrong, but he'd cried wolf so much no **** believed him.
There's also clearly a double standard with Bruce and Benitez, but I think any club that appoints Bruce is basically admitting 'we're not trying'.
Shelvey was top goalscorer because joelinton was so bad. What’s the excuse when Wilson gets his highest premier league goals tally under Bruce this season?
Absolutely no worse than Benitez for nufc but you’d think he’d had them relegated the amount of stick he gets
Until they actually drop in the bottom 3 he should not be sacked.
Sunderland made the same mistake
tynevalleyblackcat
Striker
You missed off that Newcastle is unique because its a one club city and that 'EVERYBODY who lives there supports them.
Admittedly I am a Sunderland fan and that means I know a lot of people on Tyneside who don't like Newcastle United, but I have work colleagues who lived in Newcastle for years from outside the north east and absolutely detest them. I even know a Norwegian who lived here for years and hates them.
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Exile 1968
Winger
They dont agree with the proposed Top 6 cartel stuff happening and crying like fannies that they havent been included in the "Top 9"
f***ing tragic. They are so wanting to be relevant.
f***ing tragic. They are so wanting to be relevant.
rentaghost
Striker
Wait, so what's your rationale for Bruce doing a better job?
What I find interesting is Ashley has given Bruce more control over who he signs. I had a friend in football that told me they were going after Tammy Abraham when they came up but Ashley played funny buggers with some things that stopped it happening so they had to go for Joselu instead. He's not a mag either before people think he's pumping propaganda in my ears.
FWIW, I think in literal terms, aye they achieved about the same (mid-table same number of points) but I think if were talking about actual tacticians it's not really much of a contest. Benitez has demonstrable success throughout his career, although I don't think he'll win another trophy in his career because football hs moved on. That doesn't mean he couldn't take an Everton or a Wolves into the Champions League. He's not good at being a pro-active manager, he prefers being given a situation and working out how to stop it or limit it.
Big Stevie B just throws them a ball and puts an arm around them.
As I said before you can't really compare the squads, and even if you do I'm not sure Bruce comes out well. Perez had his best PL season under Benitez same with Rondon. Shelvey had his joint best goal return out of Shelvey so he seemed to get a tune out of him, so deserves credit for that, but I think he was also their lowest top goal-scorer in their PL history or something daft like that.
The great irony for me was watching Benitez politic against Ashley, and for the first time in his career you could say, aye maybe he's being done wrong, but he'd cried wolf so much no **** believed him.
There's also clearly a double standard with Bruce and Benitez, but I think any club that appoints Bruce is basically admitting 'we're not trying'.
More points per games
Better in cups
Having to do so with Joelinton (a player given to Bruce the day after he came to the club instead of the very good Rondon and Perez
The money spent on Joelinton (40 mill) being used as somehow beneficial to Bruce.
Better tactics and sytems and how super clever you are only counts if you get better results whic the previous manager didnt.
Roker Mackem
Striker
Just let them get on with it man. We call them obsessed and then watch every poxy game they are in
Said it a million times. Close rivals and we are both obsessed with each other.
Its called rivalry. Get over it.
Secret Visage
Striker
But, but, but....RAFA!
I couldn't think of many things I'd want to do less than watching the mags.
Roker Mackem
Striker
Well same here really. I hate it. But then I always keep tabs on what their score is.
Qwerty
Striker
Bruce got more PL points per game than every manager we've had since Bruce. Yet some on here still give him dogs abuse.
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Deleted member 47406
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Where you getting that re: PPG? Pretty sure Benitez won a lot more given he had that year in the Championship.
Either way, he cheered Joelinton when he signed, he's added to that with signings like ASM, Wilson, Lewis that cost almost £50m and Fraser and Hendrick who won't be on bobbins in terms of wages.
I get that folk dislike Benitez, he's not the most likeable fella unless he's at your club telling you how wonderful you are, but the fact he got them up and kept them up with players like Gayle, Joselu, Yedlin and Manquillo deserves some acknowledgement. If Bruce is half as good as you reckon this lot should be batting into the top half comfortably.
rentaghost
Striker
I was comparing Premiership games for them both. The PPG is games in the premiership 1.19 to 1.21. Nothing to do with liking or disliking Benitez I don't mind him at all tbh but getting promoted with the likes of Shelvey, Gayle, Mitrovic, Perez, Lascelles, Ritchie, Atsu, Yedlin, Clark, Dummet and co really is no great shakes - if they hadn't gone up it would have been scandalous really. I've never at any stage under Benitez or Bruce thought they have had a squad of players that should get relegated. In fact In thought last year with Joelinton replacing Perez and Rondon staying up was more difficult to achieve than under Rafa.
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Deleted member 47406
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Ahh that makes sense.
Fair dos mate, we can't all agree on everything. I just know if you gave me 25 non-descript players and the choice of manager I'd pick Benitez all day long. Even if you think he had it easy in the Championship (the amount of first-time promotion teams is slim, but he had cart blanche to spend) I think he had a much harder task getting Gayle and the likes firing.
rentaghost
Striker
I think many people would. I think the argument has never been about which one is the best manager in general. Its more about which manager has done better during their time there and highlighting the excuses given to Benitez for any given circumstance and the criticism given to Bruce in similar circumstances. Benitez loses 3-0 away to Oxford = sack the board, Bruce wins a tie away to Newport and its all his fault for only just getting through. Newcastle lose a load of games in a row under Benitez its the players fault - what he supposed to do with that shower of shite etc.
There's also different ways of getting points on the board. With Rafa its all about structure, Bruce is more concerned with allowing freedom to players such as ASM, Almiron and Shelvey which Rafa just wouldn't entertain. It means Bruce's side will get more drubbings but also win some games playing badly because of some individual quality. I don't think making your team very defensively sound at the expensive of attacking flair is the tactical brilliance some make out.
To be honest if you cant get goals out of a Mitrovic, Perez and Gayle at that level of football there must be something wrong and he couldnt really get a tune out of Perez for a lot of the season IIRC.
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safctommie
Winger
And that’s understandable.
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At Champ level or Prem? Champ I agreee, but Prem none of those three are proven at all.
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