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Qwerty said:
So Big Sam's not good enough because;
1.You spend big money
2.You won triophies donkey's years ago
3. You'll get big crowds if you get a new stadium.
Exactly the same reasons the mags didn't like him.
Didn't realise how similar Everton and Newcastle are.
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I think it might be because he is shite.
 
The Fish said:
This is my point, it's not terrifically clear.

And I'm staggered that an Everton fan would not rate Benitez. I cannot think of any reason why they would ignore the trophies, the widespread respect and praise, to criticise a manager who did so well for their bitter rivals. I'm at a loss.

It's like Newcastle fans were told that Benitez would struggle in the Championship (he didn't), that only won the Championship because he spent more than every other team (he didn't), wouldn't keep us up (he has), and wouldn't stick around (he has). I'm at a loss to think of a reason why some Sunderland fans don't rate Benitez.


He has and I'm looking forward to the incredulity that will follow this suggestion, but I think he should at least be in the conservation for a Manager of the Year nomination. Guardiola or Dyche should win it, maybe Klopp if they get to the CL final?

For Benitez to get Newcastle to where they are, on the meagre budget he's had (only Burnley and Bournemouth have a lower Gross spend) with the average-at-best squad he's got, it's remarkable. Our post Christmas form has been brilliant and a lot of that is the loan signings he made for two positions I didn't think were priorities (LW & GK). We'll see if Slimani makes any difference in the final 6 games.
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Whilst you will perhaps finish top half, I think how tight the bottom has been this year covers the fact you have been in a relegation battle all season. Similar to how one season we finished 10th because of a few fluke results on the final day and jumped 3 (I think) places, including over your good selves.

On the fans not rating point, I would be surprised if too many Sunderland fans actually thought Benitez was 'shite' but I think (as with Everton) it is a reaction to perceived overrating by the other fans. If you constantly hear how great somebody is - when you only think them as 'good' - your scepticism becomes exaggerated.

The Fish said:
He's a very good manager at keeping a club in the Premier League by playing safety first football.
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As a side note, I think you could be talking about Benitez too here.
 
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1892 said:
Links???


Don't believe it. If we were playing an important game and you had no other source to see the result, you'd use the internet.
Hatred??? Waste of time and emotions. None of us actually give a toss about your feelings
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You clearly give a toss or you wouldn’t keep quoting me you dithering old fool.

Sad as fuck.
 
woodlebert said:
Whilst you will perhaps finish top half, I think how tight the bottom has been this year covers the fact you have been in a relegation battle all season. Similar to how one season we finished 10th because of a few fluke results on the final day and jumped 3 (I think) places, including over your good selves.

On the fans not rating point, I would be surprised if too many Sunderland fans actually thought Benitez was 'shite' but I think (as with Everton) it is a reaction to perceived overrating by the other fans. If you constantly hear how great somebody is - when you only think them as 'good' - your scepticism becomes exaggerated.
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Have a browse on here. Plenty of people dismissing every success he's had and downplaying the good job he's done at Newcastle.

It's fair to say the bottom half has been tight, but with 6 games to go we're top half. 10pts clear of the relegation spots. Last season it ended 11pts between 10th and 18th (45-34), 15/16 there were 13(50-37), 14/15 there were 13 (48-35), 13/14 there were 16 (49-33). So if we can stay 10-13pts better off than whoever finishes 18th we're no closer to the relegation scrap than previous teams who finished 10th.

I'm fairly certain I said before a ball was kicked that safety was the most important thing, any position above 17th was a bonus. That we're in contention for a top half finish is testament to the good work Benitez has done with players like Dummett, Lascelles, Diame etc.

As a side note, I think you could be talking about Benitez too here.
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Think that's down-playing Benitez' ambition and ability, massively. He's won league titles, he's won cups, he's won the Champions League. Allardyce has won the English 3rd division.

Allardyce is hero-worshipped here because he did a good job keeping you up, got the club pointing in the right direction and had a good relationship with the fans. But don't kid yourself that he's more than what he is; a limited manager with a big ego.
 
The Fish said:
He's a very good manager at keeping a club in the Premier League by playing safety first football.

Lofty goals.
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He had Bolton in the top half 4 seasons running, West Ham mid table. Had to firefight here and at Palace to avoid relegation but he came in mid season.
You're acuusing others of belitting Benitez's achievements but you're doing the same with Big Sam.
 
The Fish said:
Have a browse on here. Plenty of people dismissing every success he's had and downplaying the good job he's done at Newcastle.

It's fair to say the bottom half has been tight, but with 6 games to go we're top half. 10pts clear of the relegation spots. Last season it ended 11pts between 10th and 18th (45-34), 15/16 there were 13(50-37), 14/15 there were 13 (48-35), 13/14 there were 16 (49-33). So if we can stay 10-13pts better off than whoever finishes 18th we're no closer to the relegation scrap than previous teams who finished 10th.

I'm fairly certain I said before a ball was kicked that safety was the most important thing, any position above 17th was a bonus. That we're in contention for a top half finish is testament to the good work Benitez has done with players like Dummett, Lascelles, Diame etc.


Think that's down-playing Benitez' ambition and ability, massively. He's won league titles, he's won cups, he's won the Champions League. Allardyce has won the English 3rd division.

Allardyce is hero-worshipped here because he did a good job keeping you up, got the club pointing in the right direction and had a good relationship with the fans. But don't kid yourself that he's more than what he is; a limited manager with a big ego.
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You're right about on here, I suppose. I tend to think this isn't a good cross-section of supporters but anybody who doesn't think he's a good manager is clearly wrong.

I only talk about staying up because I agree with you that was the aim this season, he certainly has ambitions beyond that.

Perhaps I meant he's a better manager at playing it safe. I think he's cautious, organised and effective at playing to a team's strength. Much like Allardyce, only better.

Ps. Good digging on the gap at the bottom.
 
Qwerty said:
He had Bolton in the top half 4 seasons running, West Ham mid table. Had to firefight here and at Palace to avoid relegation but he came in mid season.
You're acuusing others of belitting Benitez's achievements but you're doing the same with Big Sam.
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I don't think I am, I think he's very good at keeping a team up, sometimes that means a midtable finish, sometimes it doesn't. His record at Bolton was great and should be applauded.

If any club was worried about relegation, he's an excellent appointment. Any side wanting to progress from safety to something loftier should probably take a look elsewhere.
 
Zig81 said:
You clearly give a toss or you wouldn’t keep quoting me you dithering old fool.

Sad as fuck.
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f***ing sad sack, all you do on here is slag mags or praise those who enjoy beating up on women. One thing you do right is use the ignore button (another lie) I'm going to follow your example where you're concerned.
 
woodlebert said:
Perhaps I meant he's a better manager at playing it safe. I think he's cautious, organised and effective at playing to a team's strength. Much like Allardyce, only better.
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Oh aye, Benitez is a pragmatic manager, but I'd say he identifies the games where he can get something from the game and plays accordingly. e.g. under Allardyce we'd have gone into the last few games gunning for the point. Shut up shop, hit balls into the box and hope for a goal from a set piece. Benitez had us pressing hard, and solid defensively, but our forwards were given license to roam and be creative.

You're right that both build their team from the back (probably why we're much better now we've got ourselves a better 'keeper), but I'd argue Benitez is more comfortable letting his defenders playing it to the midfield, rather than bypassing them.
 
The Fish said:
This is my point, it's not terrifically clear.

And I'm staggered that an Everton fan would not rate Benitez. I cannot think of any reason why they would ignore the trophies, the widespread respect and praise, to criticise a manager who did so well for their bitter rivals. I'm at a loss.

It's like Newcastle fans were told that Benitez would struggle in the Championship (he didn't), that only won the Championship because he spent more than every other team (he didn't), wouldn't keep us up (he has), and wouldn't stick around (he has). I'm at a loss to think of a reason why some Sunderland fans don't rate Benitez.


He has and I'm looking forward to the incredulity that will follow this suggestion, but I think he should at least be in the conservation for a Manager of the Year nomination. Guardiola or Dyche should win it, maybe Klopp if they get to the CL final?

For Benitez to get Newcastle to where they are, on the meagre budget he's had (only Burnley and Bournemouth have a lower Gross spend) with the average-at-best squad he's got, it's remarkable. Our post Christmas form has been brilliant and a lot of that is the loan signings he made for two positions I didn't think were priorities (LW & GK). We'll see if Slimani makes any difference in the final 6 games.
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Can't argue with that, he'll doubtless be overlooked for any accolades and I guess rightly so, as you mentioned both Pep and Dyche have done more worthy things in my opinion...you could possibly add Hughton to that list and if Hodgson keeps Palace up he's done well considering the position they were in before his appointment.
 
TAFKARLC said:
Can't argue with that, he'll doubtless be overlooked for any accolades and I guess rightly so, as you mentioned both Pep and Dyche have done more worthy things in my opinion...you could possibly add Hughton to that list and if Hodgson keeps Palace up he's done well considering the position they were in before his appointment.
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Hodgson took over after 4 games,then lost 4 of his first 5, currently on a run of 1 win in 10. He is nowhere near
 
1892 said:
f***ing sad sack, all you do on here is slag mags or praise those who enjoy beating up on women. One thing you do right is use the ignore button (another lie) I'm going to follow your example where you're concerned.
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Gerrin another meltdown.

You sad old bastard, watch that ticker, that little outburst can’t do anyone of your age any good. :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Yet another lying mag wanker, off you trot.

I thought you didn’t give a toss? Clown.
 
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