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AndyH said:
Could be worse he said nobody would be interested in buying you and as a club you're not worth two pence and Short won't be able to give you away.

As I said earlier it depends how you define a big club. I think both Newcastle and Sunderland are big clubs due to the size of the support and the importance of the clubs in the region. Had we of won the premiership back in the KK days I don't think that would have made us a bigger club than we are now, just a more successful one.
I don't think Crystal Palace is a big club on the other hand, much smaller fan base than both our clubs and largely irrelevant in the region.

Do you think Newcastle isn't a big club?
Do you think Sunderland is a big club?
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heres my opinion, I have said for a long long time that for years the major difference between Sunderland and Newcastle is ambition. Newcastle led the way from 1992 and nearly succeeded, it ignited your city and for 10 - 12 years you had european football in the champions league and uefa cup. Your fans have stuck with the team but you have got to appreciatte that in that time you have had the world record for a footballer in alan shearer, micheal owen, jonathon woodgate to name a few then more recently get rafa benitez, these things keep the fans coming by making statements, yes Newcastle are massive. In comparison in those years since 1992 sunderland have had absolutely fuck all like youve had through the door at all, weve found jems in the like of kevin phillips, home grown talent in the form of the 2 jordans so in terms of recent success as a big club we have had nothing but you must remember in all the time since our last trophy win and venture into europe, Sunderland have had the biggest average attendance in all european leagues for any team that hasnt played in any of its competitions, I honestly beleive Sunderland is an absolutely huge Club which its massive potential has never been met since the 1930s! Sad but true
 
6inarow said:
you have had the world record for a footballer in alan shearer, micheal owen, jonathon woodgate to name a few
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What? 1 UK record, in that lot.

The Woodgate and Owen deals were linked, as payments for Woodgate were in the dispute as he was crocked.

The Owen deal was a Club record, 13 years ago.
 
Gobuchul said:
What? 1 UK record, in that lot.

The Woodgate and Owen deals were linked, as payments for Woodgate were in the dispute as he was crocked.

The Owen deal was a Club record, 13 years ago.
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Alan shearer was a world record transfer in 1996, the others were examples of some of the worlds finest that Newcastle have signed....This is how newcastle have led the way with ambition....Sad but fact, you seem quick on the draw but not very knowlegable
 
6inarow said:
Alan shearer was a world record transfer in 1996, the others were examples of some of the worlds finest that Newcastle have signed....This is how newcastle have led the way with ambition....Sad but fact, you seem quick on the draw but not very knowlegable
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There's no doubt they were ambitious and up there with the best in England. Ashley's tenure has had two relegations and a plethora of bottom half finishes though. Those days are long gone and it's difficult to see anyone breaking back into that top five or six.
 
6inarow said:
heres my opinion, I have said for a long long time that for years the major difference between Sunderland and Newcastle is ambition. Newcastle led the way from 1992 and nearly succeeded, it ignited your city and for 10 - 12 years you had european football in the champions league and uefa cup. Your fans have stuck with the team but you have got to appreciatte that in that time you have had the world record for a footballer in alan shearer, micheal owen, jonathon woodgate to name a few then more recently get rafa benitez, these things keep the fans coming by making statements, yes Newcastle are massive. In comparison in those years since 1992 sunderland have had absolutely fuck all like youve had through the door at all, weve found jems in the like of kevin phillips, home grown talent in the form of the 2 jordans so in terms of recent success as a big club we have had nothing but you must remember in all the time since our last trophy win and venture into europe, Sunderland have had the biggest average attendance in all european leagues for any team that hasnt played in any of its competitions, I honestly beleive Sunderland is an absolutely huge Club which its massive potential has never been met since the 1930s! Sad but true
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A lot of truth in this.

I have no bother accepting Newcastle’s higher crowds; they have more fans quite simply, which is understandable given the geography of the area (as well as their relative successes over the last generation). Sunderland, for example, is out on a limb at the coast, with half the area surrounding it the North Sea. As soon as you move inland you’re heading towards Newcastle, hence the split in areas like Washington, Durham etc., plus NW Durham is closer to Newcastle, and the likes of Shields is Tyneside (even if Sunderland is closer).

I digress, likewise the post from 6inarow I would say that comparing the loyalty of SAFC and NUFC fans is a grossly unfair and overly simplistic comparison (though I fully accept Newcastle have great support).

For example, in my 26 years following SAFC I have:

Seen 4 (about to be 5) relegations (my mag mates have seen 2).

Seen us struggle in the second tier (the mags haven’t).

Never seen us challenge for the title (the mags have; properly once, but on the fringes a couple of other times).

Never seen European football (the mags must have seen about 10 years’ worth, including two pots at the Champions League).

Seen us finish bottom of the Premier League 3 times, being down with weeks to spare (the mags were in with a shout until close to the end the years they went down).

Break a low points record. Then break our own record 3 years later.

Seen us lose 17 games on the belt, one shy of equalling a century old record.

Seen us go almost a calendar year without a win at home (I believe that is a record).

Witnessed a pitiful run of home form going back half a decade (2012/13 to date).

I could go on but I don’t want to labour the point any more. Whenever Newcastle seem
on a precipice moment where the fans could
turn, they seem to pull one out the bag (e.g. Robson after Gullit, Keegan after Allardyce, Hughton getting them up first time, Rafa after McClaren, and him subsequently staying). Fair play like. Benitez is their best shot at doing something so they need to pray Ashley doesn’t fuck it up.
 
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Randy Savage said:
A lot of truth in this.

I have no bother accepting Newcastle’s higher crowds; they have more fans quite simply, which is understandable given the geography of the area (as well as their relative successes over the last generation). Sunderland, for example, is out on a limb at the coast, with half the area surrounding it the North Sea. As soon as you move inland you’re heading towards Newcastle, hence the split in areas like Washington, Durham etc., plus NW Durham is closer to Newcastle, and the likes of Shields is Tyneside (even if Sunderland is closer).

I digress, likewise the post from 6inarow I would say that comparing the loyalty of SAFC and NUFC fans is a grossly unfair and overly simplistic comparison (though I fully accept Newcastle have great support).

For example, in my 26 years following SAFC I have:

Seen 4 (about to be 5) relegations (my mag mates have seen 2).

Seen us struggle in the second tier (the mags haven’t).

Never seen us challenge for the title (the mags have; properly once, but on the fringes a couple of other times).

Never seen European football (the mags must have seen about 10 years’ worth, including two pots at the Champions League).

Seen us finish bottom of the Premier League 3 times, being down with weeks to spare (the mags were in with a shout until close to the end the years they went down).

Break a low points record. Then break our own record 3 years later.

Seen us lose 17 games on the belt, one shy of equalling a century old record.

Seen us go almost a calendar year without a win at home (I believe that is a record).

Witnessed a pitiful run of home form going back half a decade (2012/13 to date).

I could go on but I don’t want to labour the point any more. Whenever Newcastle seem
on a precipice moment where the fans could
turn, they seem to pull one out the bag (e.g. Robson after Gullit, Keegan after Allardyce, Hughton getting them up first time, Rafa after McClaren, and him subsequently staying). Fair play like. Benitez is their best shot at doing something so they need to pray Ashley doesn’t fuck it up.
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The Mags have struggled in the 2nd tier. ..hence Keegan coming in. They were in real danger of going down.

Mags 1991 season, average attendance officially of 16, 834.
 
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rubberface said:
The Mags have struggled in the 2nd tier. ..hence Keegan coming in. They were in real danger of going down.

Mags 1991 season, average attendance officially of 16, 834.
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Ok, it’s a long time since they struggled at that level then. As I said, I was talking about experiences since I started supporting in 1992. I can remember Ardiles but only just.
 
AndyH said:
Of course it judges the owner.
positive net spend, well done owner for improving the team.
Zero net spend, common on owner buck your ideas up the team is standing still
Negative net spend, booo at the owner you're taking the team backwards.

Rafa was allowed to have 50 million of the 80 million raised which I think was bloody generous of Ashley.
There is a clear difference in squad quality between keeping those players sold and giving the manager an extra 50 million than selling 80 million of players and allowing the manager to reinvest 50 million of it.
net spend and gros are different things therefore it is relevant
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not this again. conveniently forgetting you had a net spend the previous season of 80m. that meant you were able to sell a few of those players you had to fund the 50 mill spend in the championship whilst still balancing the books. where's the praise for ashley there.
 
rubberface said:
The Mags have struggled in the 2nd tier. ..hence Keegan coming in. They were in real danger of going down.

Mags 1991 season, average attendance officially of 16, 834.
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Bad times, looked like we were on our way to tier 3, large debts and going out of business was a real possibility at the time. It's a long time ago but if i remember correctly those years so a load of stay away protests with the fans trying to force Gordon MCKeag out.
Kind of not to dissimilar position to what you find yourselves in at the moment.

Both of our clubs are big clubs and well supported if you ask me.
 
Randy Savage said:
Ok, it’s a long time since they struggled at that level then. As I said, I was talking about experiences since I started supporting in 1992. I can remember Ardiles but only just.
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I'm talking about crowds aswel. They had 7,000 v Oxford league game at home. Absolute myth this loyal shite people spout about the Mags.
 
geordiedean said:
proof?
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I think there was one around 7000, didn't remember it as oxford but he is probably right. I think it was a a match that was called off for fog or something and it was rescheduled mid week. Was a nothing match was pissing down and nobody went, well 7000 did but you know what I mean. probably worth checking that though as the memory is a bit fuzzy.

Our lowest attendances for a season are pretty similar as clubs, post war I think ours is about 16k and theirs 13/14k. not much difference and certainly not enough for people to squabble over.
 
geordiedean said:
How old are you??

Guess you don't remember Bruce Riochs Arsenal



proof?
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Did Riochs Arsenal lose 5 PL away games in a row ? It’s a f***ing shit Arsenal side apart from 2/3 players you utter wanker

Riochs Arsenal finished 5th on 63pts losing 9 games this Arsenal have lost 11 already and will be lucky to hit 63pts you dozy wanker
 
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AndyH said:
Bad times, looked like we were on our way to tier 3, large debts and going out of business was a real possibility at the time. It's a long time ago but if i remember correctly those years so a load of stay away protests with the fans trying to force Gordon MCKeag out.
Kind of not to dissimilar position to what you find yourselves in at the moment.

Both of our clubs are big clubs and well supported if you ask me.
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:lol:

Yes of course there was.

AndyH said:
Yer but did you hear Durham and Gough absolutely lording us up on drive time, more than made up for it.

I disagree with Cundy personally on what makes a big club, he believes it's league standings in recent era and trophies won in recent area. For me that is how I would define a successful club.
That's all about opinions though.
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Wow, 2 true giants of the game and totally respected .... you must have been so proud.
 
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