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Mike Atherton on the 16.4.

Parkside said:
There's a world of difference between between T20 and the traditional cuptie cricket of the '50s. It was redball, white clothing and normal boundaries with no blaring music and flashing lights. T20 appeals to the present generation, I've no problem with that. But pyjama game and hit and giggle are fitting descriptions of that form. Traditional followers have the right to be cynical about it- that doesn't make them snobs.
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Well I think we need to agree to disagree on that mate, I understand where you coming from, and 15/20 years ago would have probably thought similar.

But I have seen local cricket participation decrease year after year and have seen kids year after year prefer PlayStation’s rather than cricket.

Therefore if music and coloured clothing is part of the price to pay to get more people involved in the game then so be it.

Like any sport competing in the modern world ,cricket needs to adapt and evolve which it has with T20, maybe the hundred is going to much the other way, we will have to see, because we all agree test cricket should still be the first priority

But T20 is a good addition to the game and good to watch imo, and deserves the recognition imo for the highly skilled cricket on show.

Personally I think it’s a insult to call some of them highly skilled cricketers just playing hit and giggle and actually think the true sign of a great cricketer is to be able to adapt their game to T20 one week then test cricket the next.

The IPL for example has been a massive success because people simply like attacking cricket always have imo.

At the end of the day whether 20 overs cricket is played in white or coloured clothing it is still the brilliant game it is.
 
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Voice of fair play said:
Well I think we need to agree to disagree on that mate, I understand where you coming from, and 15/20 years ago would have probably thought similar.

But I have seen local cricket participation decrease year after year and have seen kids year after year prefer PlayStation’s rather than cricket.

Therefore if music and coloured clothing is part of the price to pay to get more people involved in the game then so be it.
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I agree with that but I'm not sure the IPL/100 format will ultimately do that. Kids like their teams and players to be heroes to them, I'm not sure this circus where players can flit about from team to team will draw them in the same. That's why I think it should have been done on County lines with additional players brought in. They should have taken the existing T20 format and then maybe allowed counties to buy in/auction or whatever say 4 overseas players. Let the kids get behind their teams (counties) in the competition and then maybe they will also come along for 50 over when they can etc.
 
Voice of fair play said:
As the last bit and calling in 16.4 I just find it another example possibly rightly or wrongly of a snobbish attitude towards other forms of the game to go with previous comments that started with T20 like pajama cricket, hit and giggle, ‘ not proper cricket’ when reality T20 is proper cricket (started in cup ties in the 50s) just another format and highly skillful format at that.
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My 8 year old and his mates started calling it the crisps league. I don’t think he’s being snobbish, he loves all formats of the game and he’s enjoyed seeing some of the big hitters. He hasn’t been as bothered about it as he was about Durham getting into the OD final. I don’t know if that’s because Durham is “his club” and he doesn’t feel the hundred represents him or whether given the choice he’d rather be at his club and in the nets (always picks playing over watching).
I am aware he’s a bit of an anomaly mind (but he’s my little anomaly)! 😂
 
Voice of fair play said:
Well I think we need to agree to disagree on that mate, I understand where you coming from, and 15/20 years ago would have probably thought similar.

But I have seen local cricket participation decrease year after year and have seen kids year after year prefer PlayStation’s rather than cricket.

Therefore if music and coloured clothing is part of the price to pay to get more people involved in the game then so be it.

Like any sport competing in the modern world ,cricket needs to adapt and evolve which it has with T20, maybe the hundred is going to much the other way, we will have to see, because we all agree test cricket should still be the first priority

But T20 is a good addition to the game and good to watch imo, and deserves the recognition imo for the highly skilled cricket on show.

Personally I think it’s a insult to call some of them highly skilled cricketers just playing hit and giggle and actually think the true sign of a great cricketer is to be able to adapt their game to T20 one week then test cricket the next.

The IPL for example has been a massive success because people simply like attacking cricket always have imo.

At the end of the day whether 20 overs cricket is played in white or coloured clothing it is still the brilliant game it is.
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I think you've misread my post - I quoted "T20 is clearly popular with the younger generation,I've no problem with that". Probably the biggest inovation to cricket was 8 aside pairs cricket for juniors,thus assuring that all youngsters were involved in the game. I was the instigator of that at my own club. It's simply that the razmitaz that comes with T20 is not for me. That doesn't make me a snob - that's offensive, yet you're prepared to castigate others for labelling posters fools.
 
Parkside said:
I think you've misread my post - I quoted "T20 is clearly popular with the younger generation,I've no problem with that". Probably the biggest inovation to cricket was 8 aside pairs cricket for juniors,thus assuring that all youngsters were involved in the game. I was the instigator of that at my own club. It's simply that the razmitaz that comes with T20 is not for me. That doesn't make me a snob - that's offensive, yet you're prepared to castigate others for labelling posters fools.
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Well fair enough but I do think there is a difference between somebody labeling something not for you and accepting it maybe for some and calling it not ‘ proper cricket and hit and giggle when the skills on show are most definitely cricket skills.

Offending anybody is last thing on my mind, but will still continue to pull someone up for calling people thick and morons in a opening post for simply having a different opinion
 
Voice of fair play said:
But I have seen local cricket participation decrease year after year and have seen kids year after year prefer PlayStation’s rather than cricket.
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Its been explained to you countless times, that it has nothing to do with having or not having T20 (or any other format). Yet you still keep bringing it up.

Can we blame T20 for the massive fall in Sunday league football clubs too?

Is T20 to blame for the dying pub and club industry also?
 
Voice of fair play said:
Well fair enough but I do think there is a difference between somebody labeling something not for you and accepting it maybe for some and calling it not ‘ proper cricket and hit and giggle when the skills on show are most definitely cricket skills.

Offending anybody is last thing on my mind, but will still continue to pull someone up for calling people thick and morons in a opening post for simply having a different opinion
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No, what I'm saying is that you're prepared to label people snobs yet castigate others for being offensive
 
brandon said:
Its been explained to you countless times, that it has nothing to do with having or not having T20 (or any other format). Yet you still keep bringing it up.

Can we blame T20 for the massive fall in Sunday league football clubs too?

Is T20 to blame for the dying pub and club industry also?
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Well I know that, but it’s the all the more reason for to try harder to get more people into the game
Parkside said:
No, what I'm saying is that you're prepared to label people snobs yet castigate others for being offensive
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Personally I think there is a big difference stating it is a bit snobbish stating one format is proper cricket and another is not proper cricket, than stating people are morons and thick for wanting to see something succeed to bring new people into the game, if you don’t fair enough
 
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Voice of fair play said:
Well I know that, but it’s the all the more reason for to try harder to get more people into the game

Personally I think there is a big difference stating it is a bit snobbish stating one format is proper cricket and another is not proper cricket, than stating people are morons and thick for wanting to see something succeed to bring new people into the game, if you don’t fair enough
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Fair enough, if you're prepared to defend charlatons like Patel and Harrison for promoting one form of the game to the tune of £70m whilst marginalising other forms of the game and overseeing the sacking of numerous colleagues whilst awarding themselves obscene bonuses . The terms moron and thick were used in that context;that's pretty mild to what I think of them.
And describing the Hundred as "not proper cricket" is simply semantics for a non-traditional form of the game.
I take that labelling such traditionalists as snobs is perfectly justifiable.
 
Parkside said:
No, what I'm saying is that you're prepared to label people snobs yet castigate others for being offensive
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Bang on. Massive hypocrite.
Parkside said:
Fair enough, if you're prepared to defend charlatons like Patel and Harrison for promoting one form of the game to the tune of £70m whilst marginalising other forms of the game and overseeing the sacking of numerous colleagues whilst awarding themselves obscene bonuses . The terms moron and thick were used in that context;that's pretty mild to what I think of them.
And describing the Hundred as "not proper cricket" is simply semantics for a non-traditional form of the game.
I take that labelling such traditionalists as snobs is perfectly justifiable.
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Bang bang on…
 
Parkside said:
Fair enough, if you're prepared to defend charlatons like Patel and Harrison for promoting one form of the game to the tune of £70m whilst marginalising other forms of the game and overseeing the sacking of numerous colleagues whilst awarding themselves obscene bonuses . The terms moron and thick were used in that context;that's pretty mild to what I think of them.
And describing the Hundred as "not proper cricket" is simply semantics for a non-traditional form of the game.
I take that labelling such traditionalists as snobs is perfectly justifiable.
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You know I am not saying any of that and on the other thread about it said I thought it was a disgrace awarding themselves bonuses while sacking others.
 
Parkside said:
You didn't label people "snobs"?
you've never defended Harrison and Patel spending £70m?
Phew,I'd better go to Specsavers.
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I believe I never mentioned their names or talked about them in anyway and called the awarding of the recent bonuses as disgraceful on the thread about it
 
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Parkside said:
Yeh,good thing a selective memory!
Snobs? No?
Defending the Hundred not defending Harrison's reckless expenditure?
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I said I thought it is snobbish calling a format of cricket ‘not proper cricket’ and insulting to the talented cricketers playing that form of cricket so yes for that one.

As for the expenditure not commented on that at all!
 
Voice of fair play said:
I said I thought it is snobbish calling a format of cricket ‘not proper cricket’ and insulting to the talented cricketers playing that form of cricket so yes for that one.

As for the expenditure not commented on that at all!
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I doubt that cricketers would be so sensitive as to be insulted,pleased to know that you finally acknowledged the snob reference. People in glass houses and all that.
 
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