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March to June 2020 - NEWCASTLE UTD fc

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I'm not sure Benitez would have had as much grace under say, Shepherd.

He played himself well politically (as he did everywhere) as the anti-Mike Ashley. The football as a whole was poor to watch, still better than what Bruce serves up. He also seemed to have a plan and a vision - again the absolute anti-Ashley which I think we as fans jumped on.

I'd like to have seen Benitez properly backed in the Premier League to see what he could have done.

I like Bruce, he seems a nice guy and a vaguely safe pair of hands but he's a dinosaur and I honestly don't believe any Premier League club should or would have appointed him as manager.
 

Gobuchul said:
Why would anyone say that?

If the season resumes we could easily get drawn into a relegation battle.

9 games left. 3 against Liverpool, City and Spurs. So 0 points there.

Sheff Utd, probably 1 at best.

The other 5 are 6 pointers against Clubs fighting for their lives. We could easily get drawn into it.

35 points with 9 games to go, we should be safe, however, we are utter shite and if we play like we have all season and don't get some luck, we will slide down the table.
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You can't bring yourselves to give Bruce any credit can you? 35 points with a quarter of the season to go is a good return.
 
JL1985 said:
At the end of the day, Rafa, a champions league winner fits the ego of mag supporters. He’s the manager their fans feel they deserve.

Bruce is a journeyman who managed their main rivals.

It doesn’t matter who does a better job to them.
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There's been a lot of words on this thread but that is it in a nutshell
 
rentaghost said:
If a goalkeeper is having a fantastic season for you it can be because he has had more to do but also because of the people and management team that are working with him Monday to Friday. It seems Bruce is criticised for the former but not praised for the latter. Whoever the next manager of NUFC was going to be after Rafa they were never going to be as 'functional' and defensively sound as Rafa. Bruce has played with both Almiron and ASM in his team by choice (i doubt Rafa would have done that) and hasn't had Rondon's set piece defensive quality to rely on. What he did do though was set a team out that could get comfortably more points than Rafa over the same amount of games and get you to the quarter finals of the FA Cup.
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Don't know why you are telling me I'm not arguing the point Rafa has done better than Bruce or Bruce has done better than Rafa with you.
I think Dubravka was superb under Rafa and he has been superb under bruce.
All i said is that him making a lot more saves under Bruce does not indicate improvement it indicates he has been put under more pressure.
 
AndyH said:
Don't know why you are telling me I'm not arguing the point Rafa has done better than Bruce or Bruce has done better than Rafa with you.
I think Dubravka was superb under Rafa and he has been superb under bruce.
All i said is that him making a lot more saves under Bruce does not indicate improvement it indicates he has been put under more pressure.
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Mate, log out. You’re clearly seething
 
Obvious Mag said:
I'm not sure Benitez would have had as much grace under say, Shepherd.

He played himself well politically (as he did everywhere) as the anti-Mike Ashley. The football as a whole was poor to watch, still better than what Bruce serves up. He also seemed to have a plan and a vision - again the absolute anti-Ashley which I think we as fans jumped on.

I'd like to have seen Benitez properly backed in the Premier League to see what he could have done.

I like Bruce, he seems a nice guy and a vaguely safe pair of hands but he's a dinosaur and I honestly don't believe any Premier League club should or would have appointed him as manager.
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Benitez broke the club record With Almiron.
 
rentaghost said:
If this doesn't sum up the absolute blind faith demi god irrational 'Wor Wafa' worship then surely it has to be this. You have two managers. One of them has only been there 29 games. Over those 29 games he get comprehensively more points 35 to 29 than the last manager got last season. One manager is 8 points above the relegation zone the other is two points above the relegation zone. One manager gets you to the quarter final of the FA Cup at the first attempt, the other manager has fucked up the cup games at every turn. One manager gets a tune out of Almiron and the other cant. One manager develops his goalkeeper to one of the best in the premiership, the other didn't. One manager had Joelinton at his disposal the other had Rondon and Perez.

Yet after all that with a completely straight face you tell us the first manager is useless and the second one has done better because the goalkeeper had more shots to save.

It is completely and utterly mental and wouldn't happen with any other set of supporters in the country :lol:
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That would be mental if it was remotely accurate. But it isn't, so it's just nonsense.

Judge a manager over a season, sure, but to cherry pick 29 games from the full season, to compare against 29 played by the other is folly. Judge them on a per game basis and you've a better indication. The final part of the season saw Benitez' side improve. You're deliberately discounting them because if you were to include them it disproves your position. I've shown you the stats and I'm telling you that Bruce's Newcastle has played worse than Benitez' thus far. If Bruce gets better performances out of this team in the final 9 games then he's done better than Benitez did.

I've never said Benitez is faultless, his pragmatism cost us points where a more expansive manager may have won them. His signings were hit & miss, for every Schar or Dubravka, there's a Gamez or Sels.

But to try and claim Bruce is better, or has Newcastle playing better is just demonstrably untrue. We have more points, but even on here I've seen people insist that's more down to good fortune than any ability.
 
The Fish said:
Judge a manager over a season, sure, but to cherry pick 29 games from the full season, to compare against 29 played by the other is folly.
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Interestingly, this is what happened with Bruce at Sunderland. Our form at the end of a season and start of the next was bad so he went
 
The Fish said:
That would be mental if it was remotely accurate. But it isn't, so it's just nonsense.

Judge a manager over a season, sure, but to cherry pick 29 games from the full season, to compare against 29 played by the other is folly. Judge them on a per game basis and you've a better indication. The final part of the season saw Benitez' side improve. You're deliberately discounting them because if you were to include them it disproves your position. I've shown you the stats and I'm telling you that Bruce's Newcastle has played worse than Benitez' thus far. If Bruce gets better performances out of this team in the final 9 games then he's done better than Benitez did.

I've never said Benitez is faultless, his pragmatism cost us points where a more expansive manager may have won them. His signings were hit & miss, for every Schar or Dubravka, there's a Gamez or Sels.

But to try and claim Bruce is better, or has Newcastle playing better is just demonstrably untrue. We have more points, but even on here I've seen people insist that's more down to good fortune than any ability.
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Which is generally a gauge as to a Manager doing better
 
The Fish said:
That would be mental if it was remotely accurate. But it isn't, so it's just nonsense.

Judge a manager over a season, sure, but to cherry pick 29 games from the full season, to compare against 29 played by the other is folly. Judge them on a per game basis and you've a better indication. The final part of the season saw Benitez' side improve. You're deliberately discounting them because if you were to include them it disproves your position. I've shown you the stats and I'm telling you that Bruce's Newcastle has played worse than Benitez' thus far. If Bruce gets better performances out of this team in the final 9 games then he's done better than Benitez did.

I've never said Benitez is faultless, his pragmatism cost us points where a more expansive manager may have won them. His signings were hit & miss, for every Schar or Dubravka, there's a Gamez or Sels.

But to try and claim Bruce is better, or has Newcastle playing better is just demonstrably untrue. We have more points, but even on here I've seen people insist that's more down to good fortune than any ability.
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mate surely there’s not a football fan alive who would rather their team have less points but better stats ??
Not a chance I’d want to be on 29 points but have less shots against us.
 
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mad cyril said:
Benitez broke the club record With Almiron.
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He did yes - but £20m is small fry relatively in the Premier League. You've got Villa forking out £22m on Wesley and us £40m on Joelinton. Don't get me wrong he was backed but not to the extent of bizarrely McClaren or what they seem to be offering Bruce.

I'd like to have seen how he played it politically if say he got given £100m for a transfer window or was given control over signings and we still sat back and hoped for the best (which whether it was Burton or Man City we still did it)
 
Millhouse said:
Nah I remember when Burnley finished 7th, they had the most shots against them. Their keeper had the most saves. That Pope I think. Some teams even use it as a tactic, allowing teams to shoot from distance.
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On average they had 15 Shots against them per game, Stoke had 15.2. But, they had a low xGA, 10th in the league. So, like you say they let people take pot shots, but because they're of low quality their 'keeper can handle it relatively comfortably.

Bruce's Newcastle allow loads of shots (15.3), and have a high xGA 1.8 per game, 17th in the league. If that's the tactic, it's at best risky as fuck, at worst stupid.
 
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