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Hugh Gains

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Is it time for a man in the stands who can look at decisions and within 20 seconds see a contentious incident from numerous angles and make an informed decision, communicating the ref.

Its blatantly obvious the referee cant catch everything and on that basis every effort should be made to aid him. For instance, Browns red today could have been retracted by the time Brown left the pitch and Adam returned.

Its 2013, not 1950, human error should not be the ruling basis, technology is there, if Cricket can use it, then the billion pound business that is football, should too.
 

And why couldn't replay be looked at during half time and Brown allowed back on. Something needs to change, clubs livelihood depend on these decisions, if refs not up to it new rules and help must be looked at
 
Hugh Gains said:
Is it time for a man in the stands who can look at decisions and within 20 seconds see a contentious incident from numerous angles and make an informed decision, communicating the ref.

Its blatantly obvious the referee cant catch everything and on that basis every effort should be made to aid him. For instance, Browns red today could have been retracted by the time Brown left the pitch and Adam returned.

Its 2013, not 1950, human error should not be the ruling basis, technology is there, if Cricket can use it, then the billion pound business that is football, should too.
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Within 20 seconds? Don't be silly you little Tinker.
 
I used to be firmly in the 'referee's decision is final' camp. But after the last couple of weeks, I am so in favour of TV replays or whatever they deem suitable. If other sports (tennis, cricket, rugby) can do it, then why not the highest grossing sport in the UK?
 
Decisions based on fact should be reviewable, decisions of judgement should be down to the ref. Ball over the line or not? Use TV. Player goes in for a challenge and ref thinks it's a red? Use the referee.

If every other decision is sent upstairs because one side doesn't agree with it then the game would be dreadful to watch.
 
maygo said:
I used to be firmly in the 'referee's decision is final' camp. But after the last couple of weeks, I am so in favour of TV replays or whatever they deem suitable. If other sports (tennis, cricket, rugby) can do it, then why not the highest grossing sport in the UK?
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The highest grossing sport in the UK is fishing. Have you not seen the price of a fishing license?
 
no reason at all why a third umpire style can't be used, where possible.

people say it can't be used as it will interuppt play its just shite. use is where possible to stop blunders, as you say before brown had finished walking off we would have got the right decision.

maybe a decision review system like in cricket - only usable during breaks in play, one per game per manager or something.
 
midds said:
Decisions based on fact should be reviewable, decisions of judgement should be down to the ref. Ball over the line or not? Use TV. Player goes in for a challenge and ref thinks it's a red? Use the referee.

If every other decision is sent upstairs because one side doesn't agree with it then the game would be dreadful to watch.
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aye you're probably right, fk off!
 
If you stop it for one thing, you stop it for several things. Games would take forever, we'd be sat around in the stand for 30 seconds unable to celebrate a goal in case it got disallowed.

It'd be absolute chaos, and the same people championing it would be saying that the sport has gone and they're through with it in no time.
 
AC Mack said:
If you stop it for one thing, you stop it for several things. Games would take forever, we'd be sat around in the stand for 30 seconds unable to celebrate a goal in case it got disallowed.

It'd be absolute chaos, and the same people championing it would be saying that the sport has gone and they're through with it in no time.
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I'd rather wait 30- 60 secs before celebrating, than have the decisions we've had the last few games go against us continue to happen
 
Not every aspect of the game, such as corners and throw ins. We have goal line technology and its almost immediate, with a buzzer on the refs wrist going off if the ball crosses the line.

I personally think that if its a red card, which is just as much a game changing moment (like a goal), it should be reviewed. For instance, Ref red cards Brown and the game goes on, Brown waits on the sidelines to see whats happening upstairs before he heads off down the tunnel. And most off the time the sent of player, if he has been wronged, will be back on the pitch before the tart he 'fouled' has stopped rolling around.
 
midds said:
Decisions based on fact should be reviewable, decisions of judgement should be down to the ref. Ball over the line or not? Use TV. Player goes in for a challenge and ref thinks it's a red? Use the referee.

If every other decision is sent upstairs because one side doesn't agree with it then the game would be dreadful to watch.
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I think it would be ok to use them for red cards, as there are lengthy stoppages when they happen anyway but it would have to be like the cricket where there has to be clear proof that the referee's decision is wrong.
 
loses a lot of the talking points about the game. personally can't wait to show my non sunderland supporting mates the gifs of brown's sending off and begovic yellow just to rant about it but yeah, i would rather have competed in the game at the end of the day so i dunno actually.

fuck it. red card for me.
 
This a professional sport, its humorous to think people are willing to accept 'human error' on the basis a ref has to call it 'how he sees it' from one angle, which may not be appropriate. The FA, UEFA, FIFA have the resources to hire loads of experts to find an efficient way of amending the system.
 
Hugh Gains said:
Not every aspect of the game, such as corners and throw ins. We have goal line technology and its almost immediate, with a buzzer on the refs wrist going off if the ball crosses the line.

I personally think that if its a red card, which is just as much a game changing moment (like a goal), it should be reviewed. For instance, Ref red cards Brown and the game goes on, Brown waits on the sidelines to see whats happening upstairs before he heads off down the tunnel. And most off the time the sent of player, if he has been wronged, will be back on the pitch before the tart he 'fouled' has stopped rolling around.
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Aye but what happens if a red card offence has taken place but not given? Larrsson against City for example. Could Pellegrini's have thrown a flag or whatever and got him sent off n appeal? Imagine the reaction? Imagine the impact on the game?
 
Kenoberz said:
loses a lot of the talking points about the game. personally can't wait to show my non sunderland supporting mates the gifs of brown's sending off and begovic yellow just to rant about it but yeah, i would rather have competed in the game at the end of the day so i dunno actually.

fuck it. red card for me.
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I remember Tony Cascarino taking a similar approach, stating that contentious decisions are needed for talking points throughout the week. I personally dont think thats good enough, teams are there to compete, not be robbed via an injustice.[DOUBLEPOST=1385237674][/DOUBLEPOST]
midds said:
Aye but what happens if a red card offence has taken place but not given? Larrsson against City for example. Could Pellegrini's have thrown a flag or whatever and got him sent off n appeal? Imagine the reaction? Imagine the impact on the game?
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Well there you have it, there needs to be a happy medium. Saying that though, the game did stop when Larsson tackled him as the ref had a word, wouldnt take a trained guy very long to review it and communicate it down.

However, if people are determined to keep 'human error', the least we can do is review referee decisions in real time, as i suggested with sent off players waiting on the sideline, or something.
 
AC Mack said:
No. Be absolute chaos.

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Any more than the chaos of both teams surrounding the ref arguing about a decision? I think today's incident, as an example, would have been sorted out quicker with a definitive answer based on a replay.

How about a rule where you can challenge the decision of a ref three times per game? So as to stop it becoming an issue for every throw in. That way if it looks like a good call to everyone (even when it isn't) it'll slide and some level of human error will remain but on occasions like today when there is a clearly bad call and one side is furious they can call it into question and get some sort of justice?
 
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