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Lets All Laugh At Newcastle (Again!)

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The Fish said:
I don't think Rafa blinked, I think we got a point, which if you look at our record in the Derby, can't be sniffed at. :lol:

I can't imagine how difficult it must have been to prepare for that game, where not one of our players had won a derby. Where we were in a relegation fight when all the talk from McClaren was top 8 and a trophy :lol:

I think most of my mates would agree that we'd have happily taken a point before kick off, at half time and at full time.
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The Fish said:
I don't think Rafa blinked, I think we got a point, which if you look at our record in the Derby, can't be sniffed at. :lol:

I can't imagine how difficult it must have been to prepare for that game, where not one of our players had won a derby. Where we were in a relegation fight when all the talk from McClaren was top 8 and a trophy :lol:

I think most of my mates would agree that we'd have happily taken a point before kick off, at half time and at full time.
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jack colback had!!
 

The Fish said:
Do you realise you've just made my point? Our results are ultimately the thing that dictated our league status, not yours. Our results weren't good enough to stay up.




Oh well, if a Totalsport pundit says something I will bow to him. :lol: That's like saying Michael Owen says X so it must be the case. Performances did improve under Rafa, as did results. The latter is demonstrably true.

How didn't everybody do the double over Spurs? We did and we're shit. :lol: How didn't spurs beat us? They needed to in order to secure 2nd and their first season ahead of arsenal in, what, twenty years?

The occasion clearly got to the attacking players who fluffed their lines, shit happens.


Finally, someone who talks a bit of sense. Apart, of course, from the accusation that I'm not taking relegation like a good Tommy.
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Can't say you're not going down fighting, unlike your club, whose Premier League career has just ended with a wimpy rather than a banger.

Blackness said:
In defence of the good person stating that "your results were good enough to stay up but ours was better" one has to recognise a certain truth to that.
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Two obvious Mags, "our results were better".
 
karoop said:
What you are failing to acknowledge is on that glorious Tuesday evening, Staying up or going down was no longer in your own hands, you had to rely on us dropping points to have a chance..... we didn't drop points, and this relegated you, therefore SAFC relegated NUFC - Fact.
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oooh, so close. Nearly, but not quite!
 
karoop said:
What you are failing to acknowledge is on that glorious Tuesday evening, Staying up or going down was no longer in your own hands, you had to rely on us dropping points to have a chance..... we didn't drop points, and this relegated you, therefore SAFC relegated NUFC - Fact.
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Good grief, are any of you able to read the posts that have already refuted this monomaniacal claim?


WackyJackyO said:
Can't say you're not going down fighting, unlike your club, whose Premier League career has just ended with a wimpy rather than a banger.
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According to your associates, my club is absolved of all blame and it was in fact the players of Sunderland AFC that relegated Newcastle United. :lol:

It must be boring for the more reasonable amongst the members of this board to read the identical arguments being raised against me, though. So I promise not to respond to any unoriginal argument in the hope to move the discussion on from this conversational cul-de-sac. Deal?
 
Whatever makes you feel better fish. In your eyes we didnt send you down but in everyone elses we did.

Hammered the final red and white nail into your clubs coffin.

Surprised wraith hasnt had it doing the rounds with it yet..
 
The Fish said:
Good grief, are any of you able to read the posts that have already refuted this monomaniacal claim?




According to your associates, my club is absolved of all blame and it was in fact the players of Sunderland AFC that relegated Newcastle United. :lol:

It must be boring for the more reasonable amongst the members of this board to read the identical arguments being raised against me, though. So I promise not to respond to any unoriginal argument in the hope to move the discussion on from this conversational cul-de-sac. Deal?
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Poste du jour! :D
 
The Fish said:
No, I said our results weren't good enough to stay up.
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In over half of the PL campaigns, 37 would have been good enough (I think the average is 36, not the mythical 40 points) so it is "unfortunate" that the unexpected (or expected depending on your perspective) surge by Sunderland relegated you this year.

silas80 said:
Can we get back to laughing at them now? :neutral: Been like 4 pages of denial and people talking like they're in the 1920s. :neutral:
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But this is part of the fun :lol:
 
The Fish said:
I think you've misunderstood. I've not once criticised the job that either Di Canio or Advocaat did in saving you. They did brilliantly and they deserve credit for that.

But Benitez's 10 games returned 13pts (1.33PpG), Di Canio's 8pts from 7 games (1.14PpG), Advocaat's 12pts from 9 (1.33PpG) and Sunderland fans are telling me their performance was superb and creditworthy (and it is) but Rafa Benitez's performance was poor...

The difference is clear, the context of the league they were in at the time. Had Di Canio's sunderland faced a late surge from Advocaat's sunderland, Di Canio's sunderland would have been relegated.
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FFS, it's been quite a time since I've met someone who can't divide by 10. :lol:
 
The Fish said:
I respectfully disagree. While Sunderland AFC's results were not of little import, they were not the driving force behind Newcastle United's relegation. No more than Everton's or Norwich's. The credit must go to Newcastle United chiefly, then the 19 other teams in the Premier League thereafter. Had Norwich, Everton & Arsenal bothered to turn up for games against yourselves or Crystal Palace we would have survived. Had we turned up against Villa (a), Bournemouth (h) and Stoke (a) we would have survived.

I understand why it would be pleasing to be the chief architects of a rival team's relegation, but unless we were level on points, GD, and had met in the final game of the season to decide who survived or not, it's just not true. You discount the 19 other teams whose results shaped the table, you've discounted 37 other games which shaped Newcastle United's season. You've done so, because it suits the narrative that "Sunderland sent Newcastle down.", which, while poetic, isn't accurate.

Much as the line that the wins against Newcastle kept you up in the previous few seasons, they helped, but they weren't the sole reason for your survival, as you accrued points from other games either side of that result, didn't you?
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I can see why you are struggling with this, because in a typical year, your viewpoint is actually true. But this is not a typical year. A careful mathematical analysis with all the tools of modern data analytics (SVM, random forest, neural nets, etc.) reveals that Sunderland deserves 80% of the credit for your relegation, you own performance accounts for just under 20% :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
123SunTan said:
I can see why you are struggling with this, because in a typical year, your viewpoint is actually true. But this is not a typical year. A careful mathematical analysis with all the tools of modern data analytics (SVM, random forest, neural nets, etc.) reveals that Sunderland deserves 80% of the credit for your relegation, you own performance accounts for just under 20% :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Love to see that data if you have it to hand.
 
The Fish is just your typical mag, their argument only works one way and that's their way!

Little quote here from his post on Toonspastic.

To be honest Vill and ourselves kept them up, had either team performed to their par, sunderland would be down and we would not. (sic)
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So Newcastle and Villa kept us up, just remember that, we didn't relegate the silly black and white twats.
 
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