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Leeds away £47

The_FSF said:
Hi Hank, the FSA here (we've just registered a new FSA account but don't have privileges to post here yet so using our old FSF name / account).

Re: an away price cap across the EFL it's something which we've always lobbied for and we'll continue to push the EFL, although we also need backing on that from supporters' groups at a club level (and RAWA are doing that). It's been difficult in the EFL for various reasons but things are now moving in a more positive direction.

It's not reciprocal pricing OR away price cap though - the two things are linked. We found that in the (successful) campaign to get an away cap in the PL what actually happened was that clubs initially said no to an away cap but one-by-one they set up cheaper reciprocal deals and it eventually reached a tipping point where clubs realised they were setting up all these deals to work around a minority of clubs who were gouging fans - so they brought in an away cap. Reciprocal deals created the away cap.

So the lastest round of EFL reciprocal deals have actually made it easier for us to have conversations with various clubs and the EFL about an away cap as they start to see the benefits of a cap re: ticket sales, spend in grounds, easier admin etc. Reciprocal deals bring away prices down in the shorter term and in the longer term push in the direction of a
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The_FSF said:
Hi Hank, the FSA here (we've just registered a new FSA account but don't have privileges to post here yet so using our old FSF name / account).

Re: an away price cap across the EFL it's something which we've always lobbied for and we'll continue to push the EFL, although we also need backing on that from supporters' groups at a club level (and RAWA are doing that). It's been difficult in the EFL for various reasons but things are now moving in a more positive direction.

It's not reciprocal pricing OR away price cap though - the two things are linked. We found that in the (successful) campaign to get an away cap in the PL what actually happened was that clubs initially said no to an away cap but one-by-one they set up cheaper reciprocal deals and it eventually reached a tipping point where clubs realised they were setting up all these deals to work around a minority of clubs who were gouging fans - so they brought in an away cap. Reciprocal deals created the away cap.

So the lastest round of EFL reciprocal deals have actually made it easier for us to have conversations with various clubs and the EFL about an away cap as they start to see the benefits of a cap re: ticket sales, spend in grounds, easier admin etc. Reciprocal deals bring away prices down in the shorter term and in the longer term push in the direction of a cap.
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Real class of 92 said:
We can all surely agree matchday prices for away fans should reflect EPL and be capped at £30. Leeds matchday prices are higher than (our STs are good value- I only pay £389 for mine in East Stand Upper) most teams in the championship and that was the case before we went up- thanks to Ken Bates and his mantra of if you want premier league football you have to pay premier league prices to get there.

Home fans in the West Stand where Sunderland fans will be will still be paying £47 if they dont have a ST as opposed to the £29 you will have to pay.

Our problem is that we have capped STs to 22k as we have over 50,000 additional members who pay between £50-£75 a season for the right to apply for home tickets (no ST or no membership = no ticket as we dont do general sale). The club believes those 50k need an opportunity to get to at least 1 or 2 games per season so have closed new STs for several years hence a waiting list of over 20,000 in a ground holding 36-37k.

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Is 2000 the normal away allocation at Elland Road
 
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Parkmaverick said:
Is 2000 the normal away allocation at Elland Road
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2,000 is the minimum they're allowed to give under EFL rules - see rule 35.3.1 -
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Unsure what their "normal" allocation is as we haven't tracked that game by game.
 
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Guinness Guzzler said:
Yep, reciprocal pricing has been agreed which will save our fans £16 on their away ticket for Leeds, making it a little bit more reasonable. Still needs all the clubs, and the EFL, to come together to agree a fair maximum price for the league mind, clubs shouldn't be having to do this on a case by case basis when some clubs offer it and others don't, and hopefully that's something safc can play a part in asking for (and I'd hope a league wide agreement would be less than £29).

Still, glad that the right thing has happened on this occasion at least. I know it's something RAWA have been asking about regularly (both at the recent Q&A night and privately) and fair play to the club, it sounds like they've been very proactive in the last couple of weeks in order to get an agreement
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I emailed the EFL about this issue, the response was essentially ‘it’s up to the clubs’ and none of their business.

From a RAWA perspective this is good stuff that the club are getting involved and we’ve been a bit gunshy with this in the past, thanks for that mate.
 
The_FSF said:
Hi Hank, the FSA here (we've just registered a new FSA account but don't have privileges to post here yet so using our old FSF name / account).

Re: an away price cap across the EFL it's something which we've always lobbied for and we'll continue to push the EFL, although we also need backing on that from supporters' groups at a club level (and RAWA are doing that). It's been difficult in the EFL for various reasons but things are now moving in a more positive direction.

It's not reciprocal pricing OR away price cap though - the two things are linked. We found that in the (successful) campaign to get an away cap in the PL what actually happened was that clubs initially said no to an away cap but one-by-one they set up cheaper reciprocal deals and it eventually reached a tipping point where clubs realised they were setting up all these deals to work around a minority of clubs who were gouging fans - so they brought in an away cap. Reciprocal deals created the away cap.

So the lastest round of EFL reciprocal deals have actually made it easier for us to have conversations with various clubs and the EFL about an away cap as they start to see the benefits of a cap re: ticket sales, spend in grounds, easier admin etc. Reciprocal deals bring away prices down in the shorter term and in the longer term push in the direction of a cap.
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Thanks for the update 👍
 
TrickyDisco said:
Seems fairly reasonable considering the amount of fans they usually take away.
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No more than us

If they end up taking more than us this season it may be down to Blackburn giving them 7k when we didn't get that ( saying that Blackburn always seems to be midweek for us now )

We have the full end at Millwall whereas I think they had upper tier only due to restrictions

Either way there's not much between us in numbers
 
The_FSF said:
Hi Hank, the FSA here (we've just registered a new FSA account but don't have privileges to post here yet so using our old FSF name / account).

Re: an away price cap across the EFL it's something which we've always lobbied for and we'll continue to push the EFL, although we also need backing on that from supporters' groups at a club level (and RAWA are doing that). It's been difficult in the EFL for various reasons but things are now moving in a more positive direction.

It's not reciprocal pricing OR away price cap though - the two things are linked. We found that in the (successful) campaign to get an away cap in the PL what actually happened was that clubs initially said no to an away cap but one-by-one they set up cheaper reciprocal deals and it eventually reached a tipping point where clubs realised they were setting up all these deals to work around a minority of clubs who were gouging fans - so they brought in an away cap. Reciprocal deals created the away cap.

So the lastest round of EFL reciprocal deals have actually made it easier for us to have conversations with various clubs and the EFL about an away cap as they start to see the benefits of a cap re: ticket sales, spend in grounds, easier admin etc. Reciprocal deals bring away prices down in the shorter term and in the longer term push in the direction of a cap.
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@DonaldDownTheWing could Spiritof73 sort a banner or something in support of this? Would be canny for a Sky game to help get across the message.
 
Charlestonian said:
I emailed the EFL about this issue, the response was essentially ‘it’s up to the clubs’ and none of their business.

From a RAWA perspective this is good stuff that the club are getting involved and we’ve been a bit gunshy with this in the past, thanks for that mate.
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Yeah, the EFL are one of the main issues in that they've never wanted to get involved. Hopefully more pressure can be put on them. To be honest, even £29 is a piss take, but I'm glad the club have done the right thing here. All the supporter's groups have been pressing them on the issue but like I say, they've proactively discussed it with Leeds and come to an agreement so fair play to them for that. Probably largely been Davison's remit tbh, bloke gets a fair bit of criticism but he, and others, have done right by the fans here
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
Yeah, the EFL are one of the main issues in that they've never wanted to get involved. Hopefully more pressure can be put on them. To be honest, even £29 is a piss take, but I'm glad the club have done the right thing here. All the supporter's groups have been pressing them on the issue but like I say, they've proactively discussed it with Leeds and come to an agreement so fair play to them for that. Probably largely been Davison's remit tbh, bloke gets a fair bit of criticism but he, and others, have done right by the fans here
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I’m not a fan of his tbh from personal dealings but this is getting on for £20 discount per adult so fair play like you say, it’s definitely still far too much for a club with parachute payments but that’s another argument altogether.
 
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