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SteveFTM said:
[QUOTE="Nelson!, post: 26527710, member: 159"One f***ing massive box he doesn't tick is that he's never managed above league one and he's only been doing that for five minutes."
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I kind of agree with you but we're already at the bottom, screwed financially and have tried more accomplished managers with experience and look where it's got us. Great managers have to start somewhere mate. I hadn't heard of Paul Hurst before now but folk that have, appear to have nothing but good to say about him. Should we take a chance on a young up and coming manager and build for the future? I would rather the club went down this route than bringing in the likes of McCoist or McLeish et al.[/QUOTE]

Is karanka not the same age as Hurst (give or take a couple of month) and has achieved a hell of a lot more in his managerial career.
 

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I kind of agree with you but we're already at the bottom, screwed financially and have tried more accomplished managers with experience and look where it's got us. Great managers have to start somewhere mate. I hadn't heard of Paul Hurst before now but folk that have, appear to have nothing but good to say about him. Should we take a chance on a young up and coming manager and build for the future? I would rather the club went down this route than bringing in the likes of McCoist or McLeish et al.
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Is karanka not the same age as Hurst (give or take a couple of month) and has achieved a hell of a lot more in his managerial career.[/QUOTE]
tbf Karanka was a coach at RM
but i get the point
 
Slartibartfarst42 said:
Paul Hurst

He's young, ambitious, doesn't take crap, has a winning mentality and has a track record of taking clubs in crisis and turning them around on a shoestring. He ticks all the boxes for me. Karanka doesn't.
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shut up you muppet:lol:

Nelson! said:
I'm not sure if this issue is the same at all clubs but I do tend to notice there's never a candidate that gets universal backing from our support. Even with O'Neill (probably the closest to it) there were plenty who actively didn't want him to the point they were vocal and angry about it.

Karanka to me seems like the logical choice if he'l take it, but you know that there will be loads waiting for him to fail as they'd rather be right in saying he's no good than have to admit otherwise.



One f***ing massive box he doesn't tick is that he's never managed above league one and he's only been doing that for five minutes. What type of football does he play? I know nowt about him at all other than he's got zero experience at the level we need him to perform at.

Karanka ticks way more boxes given his experience at Boro mirrors ours right now more closely than anything else I can think of.
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Don’t speak sense on here pal :lol:
 
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yossarian31 said:
Is karanka not the same age as Hurst (give or take a couple of month) and has achieved a hell of a lot more in his managerial career.
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Not sure, maybe, i wouldn't be against Karanka being appointed just not convinced Short would go for him. I certainly wouldn't discount Hurst just on account of him being in the 1st division, like I said all good/great managers have to start somewhere.
 
The fact we're now nine days post Grayson worries me that their first choice (allegedly Karanka) is either having serious misgivings or has already turned us down.

Surely even a club as mismanaged as ours would have seen the writing on the wall and would have had even a very short list of potential candidates to sound out in the event that 1 win in 12became 13, 14, 15 etc
.. and if the number one candidate was also unemployed and therefore easily contactable
 
Alfa said:
The fact we're now nine days post Grayson worries me that their first choice (allegedly Karanka) is either having serious misgivings or has already turned us down.

Surely even a club as mismanaged as ours would have seen the writing on the wall and would have had even a very short list of potential candidates to sound out in the event that 1 win in 12became 13, 14, 15 etc
.. and if the number one candidate was also unemployed and therefore easily contactable
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We're seeing if we can break the record for how many managers turn us down.
 
Slartibartfarst42 said:
Paul Hurst

He's young, ambitious, doesn't take crap, has a winning mentality and has a track record of taking clubs in crisis and turning them around on a shoestring. He ticks all the boxes for me. Karanka doesn't.
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How do you think our players would react to an unknown manager with no championship experience?

Nelson! said:
I'm not sure if this issue is the same at all clubs but I do tend to notice there's never a candidate that gets universal backing from our support. Even with O'Neill (probably the closest to it) there were plenty who actively didn't want him to the point they were vocal and angry about it.

Karanka to me seems like the logical choice if he'l take it, but you know that there will be loads waiting for him to fail as they'd rather be right in saying he's no good than have to admit otherwise.



One f***ing massive box he doesn't tick is that he's never managed above league one and he's only been doing that for five minutes. What type of football does he play? I know nowt about him at all other than he's got zero experience at the level we need him to perform at.

Karanka ticks way more boxes given his experience at Boro mirrors ours right now more closely than anything else I can think of.
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And apologies for being blunt, but the O'Neill scenario just shows how clueless fans are when they don't scratch under the surface. Those who were vocal about it were so for a reason; they had done their research and knew he was a busted flush. Those who wanted him looked no further than where he'd finished with his previous club, and what he'd done a decade previous.

There are even people defending him now, looking towards what he's done internationally in a part time job, as though that's somehow relevant.

castoff said:
I think you're wrong there mate. I'm one of the minority here that doesn't want him but I'd be over the moon for him to prove my concerns wrong. I keep reading people saying "I don't mind if we have to settle for boring 1-0 wins". Well imo, under this fella those will more likely be 1-0 defeats. That Boro side he got promoted were a damn sight better than we are atm and they hardly swashbuckled their way to promotion. It doesn't matter how good of an organiser he is if he hasn't got the tools to work with and quite frankly, our defence and keepers are woeful so even by camping in our own half (which we will) and trying to be compact we'll still likely concede at some point then all bets are off as this bloke has to be the worst manager going at chasing a game. We've got no money, its not a tactician we need, its a motivator and you'd have to go a long way to find anyone that would accuse Karanka of being one of those. For those reasons, he's not for me.
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Promoted? I'd be happy just to move away from the relegation zone for the moment.
 
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I think Karanka would be a good appointment, my problem with it is he just won’t get the backing he wants ie full 100% control over transfers and he just simply won’t get the time, in 5 nil nils time his job will be under serious scrutiny. I think he would get us playing a good style of football much like poyet did but we all remember how that ended.
 
Alfa said:
The fact we're now nine days post Grayson worries me that their first choice (allegedly Karanka) is either having serious misgivings or has already turned us down.

Surely even a club as mismanaged as ours would have seen the writing on the wall and would have had even a very short list of potential candidates to sound out in the event that 1 win in 12became 13, 14, 15 etc
.. and if the number one candidate was also unemployed and therefore easily contactable
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The thing is, wasn't Bain prepared to let Grayson carry on but Ellis gave him that ultimatum on Tuesday out of the blue leaving him no time to prepare ??
 
People genuinely don't want Karanka because of his style of play ffs.
You'd think we'd been playing swashbuckling football for the past year and a half. :lol:
We've been getting beat most weeks playing turgid football, i'd snap your hands off for turgid football and a 1-0 win in off Vaughan's backside.
 
mart said:
People genuinely don't want Karanka because of his style of play ffs.
You'd think we'd been playing swashbuckling football for the past year and a half. :lol:
We've been getting beat most weeks playing turgid football, i'd snap your hands off for turgid football and a 1-0 win in off Vaughan's backside.
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Allardyce came here with a reputation for shite football as well. but I enjoyed watching us in those few months.
 
Scootsie said:
Allardyce came here with a reputation for shite football as well. but I enjoyed watching us in those few months.
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We were mostly absolutely awful to watch under Allardyce, nobody gives/gave a shite when we were getting positive results.
 
The same ex player still heavily linked to the club who said the job was Karankas if he wanted it, said that there is stumbling block with assurances and contract on offer, he is therefore hesitant.
 
Ale taster said:
I bet there is.
Short out.
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Karanka: you know that £50m transfer budget we talked about? Can I have that written into my contract please?

Short: there's no need for that, boy, in Missouri, we conclude all deals with a good ole US of A handshake. You do trust me don't you? I certainly trust you

Karanka: but my lawyer & my agent say

Short: lawyers my ass, they're like the devil, quoting scripture to suit their own needs. Let me tell you son, the greatest achievement of English law is making work for itself. And don't even get me started on agents! Trust in me son, I sell snake oil for a livin' & my word is my bond.

Karanka: Adiós amigo
 
Scootsie said:
Allardyce came here with a reputation for shite football as well. but I enjoyed watching us in those few months.
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I don't think we were very good to watch under Allardyce and for a time he was doing the Toivonen CM, Graham right midfield, Fletcher leading, formation + Defoe on the bench.
 
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