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June to July 2020 - NUFC

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The Great MES said:
Professional mag sympathiser Jake Humphrey on twitter tonight describing the job Bruce has done as "survival, can't count as success". He's on course to get more points than Rafa, but when he finished 10th on 44 points it was a "miracle" and he was a "genius". Funny that isn't it?
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Surprised it doesn’t hurt the ego of Barcelona of the North’s fans that these massive plaudits go to them for achieving mid table.
 
Rosco said:
What is it with SAFC fans & Ashley......joking aside he would suck the life out of your club

And why do you think hes put £100s millions into NUFC all he's done is loan cash on an interest free repayment from one of his many companies to himself (its like me loaning myself £100 from bank account A to bank account B and repaying it from B to A a couple of years later with no interest.Add up his total outlay on players in against players out and its not pretty reading except for Fat Mike who has lined his pockets.
When he took over he was worth over £2 billion so not short of money and could have invested/pumped all tv cash/season ticket money/advertising etc without touching any more of his cash,and maybe:rolleyes: won an FA/LEAGUE cup or qualified for champions league spot and even more cash coming in.All he has done is piss off all fans after constantly sticking the knife in and thinking of more ways of pissing them off.....Dennis Wise/Joe Kinnear x2/renaming St Jame's Park/Relagation x2/treatment of Shearer/Houghton/Gutierrez.....the list goes on.
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1. I'm not sure how he would suck the life out of a club. Over 20 years ago, you nearly won something and nearly went bust. Going bust sucks the life more out of a club than signing below average players and not winning trophies (which you werent winning anyway)
2. Mike Ashley has lots of money. But it is a business, and he didn't get lots of money by spending wildly. He got lots of money by being shrewd, and making profit. Its how every other business works outside of football. You buy it, and you invest some of the profits from it back in, but not all. Yes he could have thrown money at it and could have got into a profitable champions league spot. But equally he could have spent £400million on ten Joelintons. He is not going to risk losing money if he is happy with the return he is getting.
3.The fans have hardly endeared themselves to him either. They've protested, Boycotted, Fake Funerals, Fat Cockney Bastard chants etc.... If I was hearing that every week I wouldnt be overly concerned about their opinions either.
4. You are still a premiership side turning a profit. Thats not bad ownership. Bad ownership leads to clubs like Wigan, Darlo, Bury and Bolton.
 
Redandwhitedust said:
1. I'm not sure how he would suck the life out of a club. Over 20 years ago, you nearly won something and nearly went bust. Going bust sucks the life more out of a club than signing below average players and not winning trophies (which you werent winning anyway)
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Can't argue with this.

Redandwhitedust said:
2. Mike Ashley has lots of money. But it is a business, and he didn't get lots of money by spending wildly. He got lots of money by being shrewd, and making profit. Its how every other business works outside of football. You buy it, and you invest some of the profits from it back in, but not all. Yes he could have thrown money at it and could have got into a profitable champions league spot. But equally he could have spent £400million on ten Joelintons. He is not going to risk losing money if he is happy with the return he is getting.
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Again, I can't argue with this, either.


Redandwhitedust said:
3.The fans have hardly endeared themselves to him either. They've protested, Boycotted, Fake Funerals, Fat Cockney Bastard chants etc.... If I was hearing that every week I wouldnt be overly concerned about their opinions either.
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Also agreed. I've said it on a few occasions. If that was me running Newcastle United and getting that stick by hypocrites, I'd do exactly what Ashley is doing, which is running a tight but steady ship without handing out excessive pacifiers to ungrateful sections of fans..


Redandwhitedust said:
4. You are still a premiership side turning a profit. Thats not bad ownership. Bad ownership leads to clubs like Wigan, Darlo, Bury and Bolton.
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Yep. Sometimes it needs to be a case of sitting back as far as possible to see the bigger picture.
Too many fans are following hate narratives and some are actually acting like footballing snobs of entitlement and expectation and simply can't see how close we were to being in deep deep issues before Ashley took over.


I just felt the need to reply to this because it's a very honest look at it all.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
It was a fractured squad, not team.
I'm talking about the players that Benitez sidelined, who happened to be the very players we needed to actually play football in the way it should be played.
They were cast aside in favour of those who were simply willing to defend first and foremost and live on extreme scraps.
This is how it appeared to me.
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You're being very vague here, which players did Benitez sideline that would have had Newcastle winning more points with their attacking flair?


We'll agree to disagree on this.
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:lol: Majority of that paragraph is just fact, which bit did you disagree with?


Less organined?
I'd say it's better organised in terms of overall better football....but....if you're talking about an overall season of defend first and foremost with little emphasis on attacking football with a little bit of flair, then, yeah....you're right....Benitez was better organised for that.
As for Bruce's football not being sustainable. Clearly it is.
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Eh? I genuinely don't understand how you can look at Bruce's side and think it's better organised in any facet. Pre-break we were creating fewer chances than pretty much every one in the league. We were scoring fuck all. We weren't putting the opposition under any kind of pressure. We were garbage, it's only really after the break that we've improved to the point you could say we've got any kind of plan.


I agree some of the football has been bad but mostly it's been fairly enjoyable, because Bruce managed to inch away at taking out the full on defensive attitude and replaced it with a much more balanced set up, which gave us a decent mix of attacking and midfield marshalling and also forward foraging, as well as a defensive strength.

Not the best by far but a much much better set up than we had under Benitez.
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Set aside the football under Benitez for a second, the football you describe must have happened in a parallel universe because that is not the football served up by Bruce. Yes, we've improved recently, but for the majority of the season we've been playing under the kosh, lofting balls to a not-fit-for-purpose targetman and praying ASM pulls something out his hat.



I say by now I do have a small dislike for Benitez but it's taken a long time to get to this point.
Mostly I gave him the benefit of the doubt, game after game after game, until he wore me down with absolute nut busting negative football and the way he spent on attack minded players then refused to bother with them for a large part of the season.

Add to that his ability to blame anyone and everyone but himself, whilst playing the fans against the owner to garner favour and then deciding to ask for double his wage for finishing lower in the league than the season before.

When Ashley called no joy....bang....Benitez had already had his China project up and ready...calling it the perfect project...but still leaving us Newcastle fans with a parting " it wasn't me, it was the nasty man in charge." Kind of nonsense.

Yeah, I'm not too fussed on Benitez.
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Aye, I think your personal dislike of Benitez has altered your memory of the football we played.
AndyH said:
I would agree if that's the case, like i say I know very little about the war with Yemen and if the Saudi's are targeting civilians as apposed to enemy combatants I would be 100% in disagreement with that.
Is that's what happening, the deliberate targeting of civilians?
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According to news reports, fragments of the weapons we've sold them were found in a destroyed warehouse which was storing food and things like that.
 
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The Fish said:
You're being very vague here, which players did Benitez sideline that would have had Newcastle winning more points with their attacking flair?
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Take a look back and see for yourself. I'm sure you know who he left out, along with those he bought in and basically wasted.
The Fish said:
:lol: Majority of that paragraph is just fact, which bit did you disagree with?
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All of it.
The Fish said:
Eh? I genuinely don't understand how you can look at Bruce's side and think it's better organised in any facet. Pre-break we were creating fewer chances than pretty much every one in the league. We were scoring fuck all. We weren't putting the opposition under any kind of pressure. We were garbage, it's only really after the break that we've improved to the point you could say we've got any kind of plan.
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Because it is better organised in terms of more balanced football, in the main, with the exception of some park the bus nonsense added in....but on the whole, much better to watch than Benitez's general dross.

The Fish said:
Set aside the football under Benitez for a second, the football you describe must have happened in a parallel universe because that is not the football served up by Bruce. Yes, we've improved recently, but for the majority of the season we've been playing under the kosh, lofting balls to a not-fit-for-purpose targetman and praying ASM pulls something out his hat.
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The football I described is the football I've witnessed, so I know what I've seen.
Whatever you've seen is borne from your obvious messiah type love for Benitez as much as you think mine is borne from a hate for him, as you say.

The Fish said:
Aye, I think your personal dislike of Benitez has altered your memory of the football we played.
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Nahhh. My memory is clear on Benitez and is crystal clear on Bruce.
 
The Fish said:
You're being very vague here, which players did Benitez sideline that would have had Newcastle winning more points with their attacking flair?


:lol: Majority of that paragraph is just fact, which bit did you disagree with?


Eh? I genuinely don't understand how you can look at Bruce's side and think it's better organised in any facet. Pre-break we were creating fewer chances than pretty much every one in the league. We were scoring fuck all. We weren't putting the opposition under any kind of pressure. We were garbage, it's only really after the break that we've improved to the point you could say we've got any kind of plan.



Set aside the football under Benitez for a second, the football you describe must have happened in a parallel universe because that is not the football served up by Bruce. Yes, we've improved recently, but for the majority of the season we've been playing under the kosh, lofting balls to a not-fit-for-purpose targetman and praying ASM pulls something out his hat.




Aye, I think your personal dislike of Benitez has altered your memory of the football we played.

According to news reports, fragments of the weapons we've sold them were found in a destroyed warehouse which was storing food and things like that.
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Fuck sake another day of Benitez...

What a boring bastard you are..
 
The Fish said:
You're being very vague here, which players did Benitez sideline that would have had Newcastle winning more points with their attacking flair?


:lol: Majority of that paragraph is just fact, which bit did you disagree with?


Eh? I genuinely don't understand how you can look at Bruce's side and think it's better organised in any facet. Pre-break we were creating fewer chances than pretty much every one in the league. We were scoring fuck all. We weren't putting the opposition under any kind of pressure. We were garbage, it's only really after the break that we've improved to the point you could say we've got any kind of plan.



Set aside the football under Benitez for a second, the football you describe must have happened in a parallel universe because that is not the football served up by Bruce. Yes, we've improved recently, but for the majority of the season we've been playing under the kosh, lofting balls to a not-fit-for-purpose targetman and praying ASM pulls something out his hat.




Aye, I think your personal dislike of Benitez has altered your memory of the football we played.

According to news reports, fragments of the weapons we've sold them were found in a destroyed warehouse which was storing food and things like that.
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Are you a 16 year old girl?
 
Nukehasslefan said:
Because it is better organised in terms of more balanced football, in the main, with the exception of some park the bus nonsense added in....but on the whole, much better to watch than Benitez's general dross.
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Can you explain why you think it's better?

Under Bruce we've scored less, conceded more, had less average possession, less cumulative possession, create less chances, concede more chances, lower xG for, higher xG against...

A stat i saw a couple of weeks back (may be out dated now) pointed out that the player who had made the most passes for us this season was Dubravka with 748. Which shows where the ball is most often when we're in possession. Dubravka ranked 7th for goalkeepers in terms of passes made. So there's at least 7 goalkeepers who'd made more passes than any Newcastle outfield player.

The football wasn't thrilling under Benitez, but it was better than it is under Bruce.
 
What A Waster said:
Can you explain why you think it's better?

Under Bruce we've scored less, conceded more, had less average possession, less cumulative possession, create less chances, concede more chances, lower xG for, higher xG against...

A stat i saw a couple of weeks back (may be out dated now) pointed out that the player who had made the most passes for us this season was Dubravka with 748. Which shows where the ball is most often when we're in possession. Dubravka ranked 7th for goalkeepers in terms of passes made. So there's at least 7 goalkeepers who'd made more passes than any Newcastle outfield player.

The football wasn't thrilling under Benitez, but it was better than it is under Bruce.
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We can sit and debate stats all day long but the reality of the game of football is what we actual see as a spectacle, not what we write down on a note pad with he passed this many times and he blocked this many and he was lazy last week but wasn't so lazy this week.

The point is, I look at a game of football on the basis of that actual game and either enjoy it or accept it as ok or simply get depressed over it if it's been dismal.

On that basis I can honestly say that I've enjoyed more of what Bruce has given me in less than a season than I have in what Benitez gave me in 2.

If you see it differently then fair enough. We all see it in different ways which is why there's always debates.
 
Redandwhitedust said:
1. I'm not sure how he would suck the life out of a club. Over 20 years ago, you nearly won something and nearly went bust. Going bust sucks the life more out of a club than signing below average players and not winning trophies (which you werent winning anyway)
2. Mike Ashley has lots of money. But it is a business, and he didn't get lots of money by spending wildly. He got lots of money by being shrewd, and making profit. Its how every other business works outside of football. You buy it, and you invest some of the profits from it back in, but not all. Yes he could have thrown money at it and could have got into a profitable champions league spot. But equally he could have spent £400million on ten Joelintons. He is not going to risk losing money if he is happy with the return he is getting.
3.The fans have hardly endeared themselves to him either. They've protested, Boycotted, Fake Funerals, Fat Cockney Bastard chants etc.... If I was hearing that every week I wouldnt be overly concerned about their opinions either.
4. You are still a premiership side turning a profit. Thats not bad ownership. Bad ownership leads to clubs like Wigan, Darlo, Bury and Bolton.
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1. A football club that doesn't try to better itself on the pitch and off it, is no longer a sporting institution, it's just a business. I don't follow a football club to celebrate balance sheets. We weren't winning things, but we were at least trying to. The decade prior to Ashley we were consistently finishing in the European spots, and getting to quarter finals or further in the domestic cups for 6/10 seasons.
2. Personally it's less about how much he's spent and more about where he's spent it. You mention that it's a business and you're right, but in business you need long term planning, you need joined-up thinking. Good source of future income is a decent production line of young talent, so spend £12m on that instead of another slight french attacking midfielder. Instead of employing a manager on the decline, appoint a younger, cheaper manager on the rise. If there's a new tv deal on the horizon sign players now before their price is inflated.
3. The fans welcomed him as a saviour until bad decision followed bad decision followed by relegation and willfully antagonistic behaviour. The fans turned on him, no doubt, but not without cause.
4. With all due respect to the clubs you mention, the bar for bad ownership should be higher for us. We shouldn't see avoiding financial ruin as success. As it should be higher still for clubs like Man Utd. Short was a bad owner for you because he oversaw bad appointments, and relegation after 9 years in the top flight. But I'd wager you'd prefer him to Donald and Methven, right? Doesn't mean Short wasn't bad, does it?
 
Nukehasslefan said:
We can sit and debate stats all day long but the reality of the game of football is what we actual see as a spectacle, not what we write down on a note pad with he passed this many times and he blocked this many and he was lazy last week but wasn't so lazy this week.

The point is, I look at a game of football on the basis of that actual game and either enjoy it or accept it as ok or simply get depressed over it if it's been dismal.

On that basis I can honestly say that I've enjoyed more of what Bruce has given me in less than a season than I have in what Benitez gave me in 2.

If you see it differently then fair enough. We all see it in different ways which is why there's always debates.
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You say you enjoyed it more, but what were you enjoying?
Few goals to enjoy, more goals against to endure, fewer chances to get excited about, more chances against us to worry about, less time on the ball to see our players actually play, with the goal keeper making more passes than anyone else?
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Rafa facts! FFS man :lol: :lol:
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That account is a weird one an no mistake.
 
The Fish said:
You say you enjoyed it more, but what were you enjoying?
Few goals to enjoy, more goals against to endure, fewer chances to get excited about, more chances against us to worry about, less time on the ball to see our players actually play, with the goal keeper making more passes than anyone else?

That account is a weird one an no mistake.
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Very weird.

Day after day, waffling shite trying to defend him. ;)
 
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