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June to July 2020 - NUFC

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The Fish said:
The body language that stood out was that of a team working together to get results, this was evident in our results against bigger sides. Your words imply there was a fractured team without team's body language was poor. I'd ask you to prove that it was bad under Benitez.
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It was a fractured squad, not team.
I'm talking about the players that Benitez sidelined, who happened to be the very players we needed to actually play football in the way it should be played.
They were cast aside in favour of those who were simply willing to defend first and foremost and live on extreme scraps.
This is how it appeared to me.
The Fish said:
Newcastle United can only win the points available to them, we cannot influence the success or failure of teams outside of our fixtures with them. It is undeniable that we accrued more points than we did in the previous season. That is progress. Getting more points and being relegated is not progress because you didn't get enough points to stay up. In both of Benitez' full seasons we finished with enough points to get us an average* position of 12/13th. It's just a quirk of the 2016/17 season that we finished 10th on 44pts. In the past 20 seasons you'd would have needed c49 points to get 10th. 44pts is the lowest tally for a team in 10th in the past 20 seasons. In the past 20 seasons 13th position has needed more than 45pts on only 5 occasions.
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We'll agree to disagree on this.


The Fish said:
By 'Better football' you mean, more entertaining, right? That's fair enough, but i'd be more choosy with my words. The football played by Bruce's team is less organised, less cohesive, and is unsustainable.
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Less organined?
I'd say it's better organised in terms of overall better football....but....if you're talking about an overall season of defend first and foremost with little emphasis on attacking football with a little bit of flair, then, yeah....you're right....Benitez was better organised for that.
As for Bruce's football not being sustainable. Clearly it is.


The Fish said:
But I cannot deny I've enjoyed watching us mug off Chelsea and Everton totally against the balance of play. I would also say that some of the football this season has been both bad and boring. I'm not sure if you were watching the start of the season because that was f***ing turgid. The games against Norwich, Burnley, or Aston Villa weren't exactly entertaining either. But whatever floats your boat, I guess.
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I agree some of the football has been bad but mostly it's been fairly enjoyable, because Bruce managed to inch away at taking out the full on defensive attitude and replaced it with a much more balanced set up, which gave us a decent mix of attacking and midfield marshalling and also forward foraging, as well as a defensive strength.

Not the best by far but a much much better set up than we had under Benitez.



The Fish said:
You sound more and more like you've taken a dislike to Benitez and cannot therefore give him credit for the good stuff he did. You downplay his achievements, claim dressing room unrest, insist we were going backwards despite evidence to the contrary, paint a picture of Bruce's football that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
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I say by now I do have a small dislike for Benitez but it's taken a long time to get to this point.
Mostly I gave him the benefit of the doubt, game after game after game, until he wore me down with absolute nut busting negative football and the way he spent on attack minded players then refused to bother with them for a large part of the season.

Add to that his ability to blame anyone and everyone but himself, whilst playing the fans against the owner to garner favour and then deciding to ask for double his wage for finishing lower in the league than the season before.

When Ashley called no joy....bang....Benitez had already had his China project up and ready...calling it the perfect project...but still leaving us Newcastle fans with a parting " it wasn't me, it was the nasty man in charge." Kind of nonsense.

Yeah, I'm not too fussed on Benitez.
 
AndyH said:
I assume you mean selling arms to the KSA not Yemen?

I am sure there are plenty of atrocities going on over in Yemen which is tragic, as far as the rights and wrongs go in regard to if the war in Yemen is justified I honestly don't know enough about it. The Uk government support the action though so in the absence of meaningful knowledge I will take the lead from them. I will hope peace is found soon, no matter which side is right or wrong its the innocent civilians in the middle that always suffer.

when he says lots going on between UK and Saudi all very positive does he not mean increased trade between the UK and KSA is positive for the take over?

I have no idea if he is a big voice of the fans, I don't do social media so until I came on here I had never heard of him.
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Increased trade which entails the murder of civilians is never justified though ? No one in the world wants SAFC to be successful more than I do but I would genuinely feel a bit dirty and immoral if a regime of this ilk was involved with my football club. Every major club in the world have indirect links to murderous regimes, but for my football club to be used in the sportswashing process would be a bitter pill to swallow.
 
4everredandwhite said:
He knows exactly what he did and said, he knows it and I know it. Problem is he won’t come out and say what he did and is hoping it will go away, but it wont
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That's because he's a snidey **** who should be banned from here.

Anyway, Imagie Steve Wraith being a hero to all the mags 😂 pathetic 😂
0321safc said:
Given the amount of retweets and the like he gets I presumed he was the de facto official voice of the fans, in the way ALS would be for us, is he the head of a fans organisation or something ?
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Of course he is, they just dont like to admit it.
 
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The Fish said:
Well, there's your first mistake.

Wraith is just desperately reaching for relevancy. Saying that it's positive for the UK to be selling weapons to a regime that aims them at civilians, is vile. Some things are more important than football.
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I would agree if that's the case, like i say I know very little about the war with Yemen and if the Saudi's are targeting civilians as apposed to enemy combatants I would be 100% in disagreement with that.
Is that's what happening, the deliberate targeting of civilians?
 
0321safc said:
I see Steve Wraith was essentially applauding on Twitter the fact that Saudi Arabia murder Yemense civilians. Classy.
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The bloke is in it for nobody but himself. If there's a chance of any money coming in he'll do whatever he can to jump on that gravy train.

#FriendoftheKrays
 
AndyH said:
I would agree if that's the case, like i say I know very little about the war with Yemen and if the Saudi's are targeting civilians as apposed to enemy combatants I would be 100% in disagreement with that.
Is that's what happening, the deliberate targeting of civilians?
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It's pretty grim -
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AndyH said:
I would agree if that's the case, like i say I know very little about the war with Yemen and if the Saudi's are targeting civilians as apposed to enemy combatants I would be 100% in disagreement with that.
Is that's what happening, the deliberate targeting of civilians?
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It was all over the news yesterday. It wouldn’t take long to look it up.

I started reading some comments on twitter and there were a lot of names with ‘toon’ and the Saudi flag. I tried to pass through them but one caught my eye saying ‘they’ll all die anyway’ regarding Yemeni. It was pretty depressing like.
 
Millhouse said:
It was all over the news yesterday. It wouldn’t take long to look it up.

I started reading some comments on twitter and there were a lot of names with ‘toon’ and the Saudi flag. I tried to pass through them but one caught my eye saying ‘they’ll all die anyway’ regarding Yemeni. It was pretty depressing like.
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Saudi Arabia is a vile nation. Hey
 
AndyH said:
I would agree if that's the case, like i say I know very little about the war with Yemen and if the Saudi's are targeting civilians as apposed to enemy combatants I would be 100% in disagreement with that.
Is that's what happening, the deliberate targeting of civilians?
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Been reported many times, even hospitals and schools have been deliberately targeted. This has been going on for some time now and these are the very people most mags desperately want to take over their club. When people were saying you’d become one of the most hated clubs, if wasn’t simply down to the usual kidnapping , torture, murder, etc... carried out by the regime, it also included the mass murder of innocent civilians.

Still, if it gets you into the top 10 and rids you of evil Ashley and his wicked zero hour contracts, then it’s probably a small price to pay. Personally I wouldn’t want them anywhere near my club.
 
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