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Jonny Trott.
- Thread starter Aleem Dar
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Andy.SAFC
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If he keeps averaging 54 in ODIs I dont care where people perceive him compared to the greats.
hutch
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he is legend(and indeed)ary!!!!!!!!!!!!
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mickey
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No fuss, no flamboyance. Just gets on with it in his own way. A very, very good player.
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weebil64
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a canny record for a South African
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Scooby
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I'm the opposite. I think it's great to have someone come in who's so consistent. Usually with England I'm just waiting for it to go wrong!
Probably kiss of death this post...
rentaghost
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I dont really agree with that although I can see where you are coming from. Englands ODI team for years have been looking for someone to play the role he is currently doing but when you have Bell and Collingwood next to him in the batting order the balance isnt right.
Exactly. The problem isn't the way he bats it's that Strauss (who's improved recently), Trott, Bell and Collingwood will all score their runs at 80-90 per hundred and can't really play the massive shots you need to accelerate at the end of the innings.
Aleem Dar
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This World Cup:
Strauss -
vs. Netherlands - 88 runs @ 106.02 SR
vs. India - 158 runs @ 108.96 SR
vs. Ireland - 34 runs @ 91.89 SR
Trott -
vs. Netherlands - 62 runs @ 95.38 SR
vs. India - 16 runs @ 84.21 SR
vs. Ireland - 92 runs @ 100 SR
Bell -
vs. Netherlands - 33 runs @ 82.50 SR
vs. India - 69 runs @ 97.18 SR
vs. Ireland - 81 runs @ 94.18 SR
Collingwood -
vs. Netherlands - 30 runs @ 130.43 SR
vs. India - 1 run @ 20.00 SR
vs. Ireland - 16 runs @ 145.45 SR
Which means that the average SR for the players mentioned are:
Strauss - 280 Runs @ 102.29 SR
Trott - 170 Runs @ 93.19 SR
Bell - 183 Runs @ 91.28 SR
Collingwood - 47 Runs @ 98.62 SR
Taking away Collingwoods failure against India, and his isn't that bad. I've never bought into the idea that Strauss/Trott/Bell score too slowly. Just because they're not hitting 6 6's an over doesn't make them boring, scratchy players.
Strauss, for example, takes advantage of the fielding restrictions and does it very well. The problem I have with Strauss, is he doesn't get enough 50 plus scores. He will get a score of 100 one game and then not do similar for 8 or 9. But his SR is always impressive and sets the run rate high. Trott, ideally, shouldn't be coming in before the 10th over. When he does come in, he's a very clever cricketer. He knows he isn't going to score 6's, but gets enough 4's, 2's and singles to keep the scoreboard ticking over. Bell can hit 6's; but only straight down the ground. He's been found out about this. Collingwood is a player who is out of form, and it's showing. But he has the capabilities to be the player everyone seemingly wants. The 6 hitter. Was it against NZ where he hit a 70-odd or 80-odd ball century? A game in Christchurch rings a bell.
Maybe because Strauss and Pietersen do a good job at getting 7 an over in the first 15 overs and when they're out the run rate comes down people think that Trott/Bell/Collingwood are all slow scorers? I don't buy it. Sorry.
Cricketing prostitute.
But I don't think that's good enough for 4 of your top 5, think they should be able to get that up to above 100, especially Collingwood who's been coming in late on and in powerplays.
I've no problem with a couple of the players scoring like that then a few around them playing shots at more than 100 sr, my issue is that you have 4 of them keeping an end up, ticking over.
Maybe I've been spoilt by 20/20.
I was also originally just trying to defend Trott, at the end of the day the batsmen are doing well enough in this tournament (but I'm greedy, I want more!), it's the bowlers and the fielding that needs to be sorted out.
Aleem Dar
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But if we get the top 4 or 5 trying to get their strike rates above 100, early on against better bowlers they might well get edges/drag ons etc and by the 30th over we're down to numbers 6 and 7 there. Which would in turn make people moan.
300 is a decent score, maybe not on the subcontinent flat tracks, but as par it's good. We've made that 3 times this tournament already. Helped by people scoring at the rate they have.
Damned if they do, damned if they don't.
To be fair he's not had the chance to build a proper innings like the top four. Same reason you can't judge his average on the same level as theirs.
3.142
Striker
This is very true.
The problem people have from a battng perspective is that we haven't known whether to stick or twist with the batting powerplay. Colly could be ideal at this stage, whereas Bell, and Trott aren't really made for it IMHO.
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Todgy
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Trott's been the only one with any consistency over the last 12 months, expect maybe Cook who I think should have still gone to the World Cup as he plays his best cricket when he's attacking. If anything, it's KP that needs to produce. One 200 every 30 months isn't wor standard!
I'm not on about early on, they don't accelerate later on. Certainly against Ireland and India we should have got more/won comfortably but the players at the crease couldn't kick on.
And I know Collingwood hasn't been able to build an innings but if he's coming in during power plays he should be getting at least a run a ball with the field out.
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