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Jofra Archer ruled out until next summer

The Rat said:
Big blow.

I wish this myth would stop that he got injured because Root overbowled him in one game in NZ

He overbowled him then, but then used him in short spells for almost every other game after, apart from at Lords against Smith, with any captain in the world would have.

Fast bowlers get injured, its part of the job, lets hope he recovers but wish media would stop the myths

I think he is a hell of a talent but can never work out how good he was, what do people reckon?

When you watch him against Smith that time, then when you watch him at Manchester in the Ashes, and a lot of tests after that when he was bowling mid 80s all game, you cant help wonder what was going on

Was he injured then? I think he was trying like, just maybe he isnt always sure how to bowl that quick?

It just seemed to strange as we thought he'd be a world beater and then he just rarely bowled that fast in test cricket again.

I am no expert like, just when you look at Wood, since his change of run up, he is just always always quick, Even when he is knackered, he may drop a bit but its still high 80s

Archer bowling low to mid 80s in some tests, was it deliberate or someit?
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Not true I looked into it.

He was the first or second most used bowler in every test he played bar a couple. More so the first in like 80% of his tests from memory.

Feel free to look yourself. But don't state facts without having them.
 
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mackembhoy said:
Not true I looked into it.

He was the first or second most used bowler in every test he played bar a couple. More so the first in like 80% of his tests from memory.

Feel free to look yourself. But don't state facts without having them.
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Yup.

In 2019 only Stuart Broad bowled more overs for the test team. Unlike Broad, Jofra was also playing in the ODI side on top of that.

Root was accused of using Archer as a 'pack horse' in NZ 2019/20 (bowled more overs than any other England bowler), denies it only for Silverwood to say he'll have to bowl fewer overs in future.

Poor player management all round.
 
mackembhoy said:
Not true I looked into it.

He was the first or second most used bowler in every test he played bar a couple. More so the first in like 80% of his tests from memory.

Feel free to look yourself. But don't state facts without having them.
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why wouldnt he be? doesnt mean he wsnt used in short spells
 
"Why wouldn't he be?"....because he is a flat out quick, was 24 at the time and at a period in his career where he is still developing the muscle strength to bowl fast consistently.

Ironically, Silverwood is now realising the importance of rotating older and more injury prone players.
 
From Ben Bloom in the telegraph -

If Joe Root had his way again, the England captain would doubtless not have subjected Jofra Archer’s weary body to what was ultimately a futile sixth spell at the end of an exhausting third day
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. Nor the subsequent seventh, eighth or ninth spells of his marathon 42-over effort on the deadest of Mount Maunganui pitches that in hindsight looks nothing less than sheer misuse of a precious commodity.

Joe Root defended his tactics at the time but, two years on, the prospect of Archer never playing Test cricket again looms ever larger after news that he has been forced to undergo a second operation to his troublesome right elbow. For that, England must take responsibility.

Archer’s flogging in the first match of a series against New Zealand that did not even form part of the ICC World Test Championship -
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- epitomised the muddled thinking around how to treat a rare gem.

Such was the excitement around his emergence on the international scene that by the time his elbow problem first surfaced following that New Zealand tour in January 2020,
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, which exceeded any other England bowler during that period.

Amid all-pervading initial excitement, the warning signs had been evident from the outset, with commentator Michael Holding branding England’s over-use of Archer in his debut Test, against Australia at Lord’s, as “abuse”. Even at that stage, Holding voiced a warning that England risked losing Archer’s extreme pace unless they used him more wisely than asking him to deliver 29 overs in his very first innings as a Test cricketer.
 
chunkylover53 said:
Borderline worrying as this sounds, I don’t think he’s a huge miss. Bar a couple of spells, he hasn’t really looked like the bowler we all hoped he would be in red ball stuff
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You can blame the captain and the coach for that imo. He'd be averaging under 20 if the Aussies had him.

We simply just do not know how to use fast bowlers. See Wood for another example of chronic mismanagement.

These lads never get the new cherry - you want the Archer from first ashes, try doing what we did then and give him the new ball. And allow him to bowl six/seven over spells where he grooves into a rhythm on a length. That way his body warms up, he stays injury free and he only hits top speeds in the last few overs. Every spell in the Ashes was like this, it's how people like Ambrose used to bowl. But we have this bizarre idea that he should steam in first or even second change and strain his body to be at 90mph straight away in three or four over bursts.

f***ing bollocks - you do that with the extra physical demands of test over white ball and you break them. We're f***ing clueless.

The amount of overs he bowled in some games was a disgrace. Because we don't have a spinner, maybe, but come on - we just broke him. He should sue us.
 
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Comeback_Kenwyne said:
You can blame the captain and the coach for that imo. He'd be averaging under 20 if the Aussies had him.

We simply just do not know how to use fast bowlers. See Wood for another example of chronic mismanagement.

These lads never get the new cherry - you want the Archer from first ashes, try doing what we did then and give him the new ball. And allow him to bowl six/seven over spells where he grooves into a rhythm on a length. That way his body warms up, he stays injury free and he only hits top speeds in the last few overs. Every spell in the Ashes was like this, it's how people like Ambrose used to bowl. But we have this bizarre idea that he should steam in first or even second change and strain his body to be at 90mph straight away in three or four over bursts.

f***ing bollocks - you do that with the extra physical demands of test over white ball and you break them. We're f***ing clueless.

The amount of overs he bowled in some games was a disgrace. Because we don't have a spinner, maybe, but come on - we just broke him. He should sue us.
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Averaging under 20 is a bit over the top like. He was a canny prospect and would have been useful on flatter pitches but not sure his numbers would have been that good.

He was managed poorly in the New Zealand test but thought he was looked after alright other than that. Fast bowlers are hard to keep fit, sure Pat Cummins missed 5 or 6 years through injury
 
Comeback_Kenwyne said:
You can blame the captain and the coach for that imo. He'd be averaging under 20 if the Aussies had him.

We simply just do not know how to use fast bowlers. See Wood for another example of chronic mismanagement.

These lads never get the new cherry - you want the Archer from first ashes, try doing what we did then and give him the new ball. And allow him to bowl six/seven over spells where he grooves into a rhythm on a length. That way his body warms up, he stays injury free and he only hits top speeds in the last few overs. Every spell in the Ashes was like this, it's how people like Ambrose used to bowl. But we have this bizarre idea that he should steam in first or even second change and strain his body to be at 90mph straight away in three or four over bursts.

f***ing bollocks - you do that with the extra physical demands of test over white ball and you break them. We're f***ing clueless.

The amount of overs he bowled in some games was a disgrace. Because we don't have a spinner, maybe, but come on - we just broke him. He should sue us.
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Sue us ffs. Talk about going over the top.

He’s said he likes to bowl long spells so can get into a rhythm.

I’ve some sympathy with Root here, he’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t to an extent.
 
Sounds like the second surgery worked, says he feels great compared to the first.
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Jofra Archer hopes to make his comeback in Sussex’s opening game in the Vitality Blast this month but admits his longstanding elbow injury left him in a “dark place” last summer.
The 27-year-old fast bowler, who underwent two operations for a recurring stress fracture on his right elbow, says he “cannot believe how good” he feels after a period in which he feared for his future.
Archer missed last winter’s T20 World Cup and Ashes series in Australia after undergoing a second operation in December to fix the problem that had troubled him for more than two years.
Archer says he has spoken to Rob Key, the ECB’s new managing director of men’s cricket, and wants to remain involved in all formats for England. Archer, who was part of the England squad that won the 2019 Cricket World Cup, has appeared in 13 Tests, 17 one-day internationals and 12 T20s for England.

“I find myself in an unfamiliar place as I build towards the start of the Vitality Blast this month — from a fitness perspective, I cannot believe how good I feel,” Archer wrote in a column for the Daily Mail. “Am I confident things are where I would like them to be before Sussex’s opening Twenty20 fixture against Glamorgan on May 26? Absolutely.
“After my first operation last May, my right elbow felt no different at all. Obviously, I wasn’t going to fully know whether it had been successful until I started bowling, but what I can say is that things immediately felt different after my second one in December. Now, nearly five months down the line, it’s a relief the way things are.
“In a situation like this, when you are forced to have operations, you do think about whether you are going to play cricket again, whether you’re going to play all formats even. But the ECB gave me the assurance and peace of mind that they wanted me around for a long time.
“As for Test cricket this summer, I simply haven’t thought that far ahead. I’ve not had any prompts from anyone, telling me I’m a one-format player as yet. I still want to play everything, but my first task is the Blast and if I don’t play that properly, then I won’t be able to play Test cricket. So the focus needs to be on the cricket I’ve got lined up and we will see from there.”
Archer, who trained with England during their recent tour to West Indies, first suffered a stress reaction on the 2019-20 tour to South Africa, forcing him out of that series after the first Test in Centurion. He returned to cricket in the summer of 2020, but was forced home from the tour to India in February last year. He underwent a first operation last May, to remove a bone fragment from his elbow joint. He has not played for England since a T20 against India in Ahmedabad 14 months ago.
“Having gone into a dark place last summer after the first operation, I can see why when people are not on the good side of situations like this they sometimes have a downward spiral in terms of mental health. It’s natural for anyone to worry about the future in that kind of situation, but not having to chase a contract gave me the time to rest properly. Suppose I had rushed my comeback, I might have messed things up more or injured something totally unrelated to what I had done previously and then I would be even further down the pecking order.
“Rob Key called me last week and we had a nice chat. Before he came on board, it was made clear to me how important I am to English cricket and it was nice to hear after this change that it is still the case. Sometimes, when organisations undergo change, it doesn’t follow that the new people see things the same way.”
 
The Rat said:
Really encouraging interview that

Some talent in England when everyone’s fit
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Definitely. Hopefully when everyone is fit we can manage them easier. Jofra, Woody and Stokes are all massive for us but all need to carefully managed.

Wonder if we'll see more rotation between bowling pairs. I can't see Anderson and Broad starting together for example
 
I am Boss said:
Definitely. Hopefully when everyone is fit we can manage them easier. Jofra, Woody and Stokes are all massive for us but all need to carefully managed.

Wonder if we'll see more rotation between bowling pairs. I can't see Anderson and Broad starting together for example
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Absolutely

Robinson, Carse, mahmood

We have lots of options meaning we can use them better

I agree I hope broad n Jimmy don’t take new ball together but sounds like stokes will he specifically said they’re in best XI right now

I guess a lot I mentioned aren’t fit so needs must

We can’t go with Jimmy, broad n Woakes first test though
 
Have a feeling we might not see much more of him at Test level in the future. Maybe he'll fancy next summer's Ashes but after that I think he'll focus on white-ball to maximise his earning potential before his body gives up. Be retired in 4 years.
 
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