Joe Root calls for a reduction in county cricker

[Voice of fair play]

it'll eventually get scrapped but not before it bankrupts cricket.Tails wagging the dog unfortunately and our county is one with one of the biggest tails. Sod those loyal Defenders. Jonny come lately North and Bostock know what's best.

I don’t think it will ever get scrapped but certainly hope it changed to 20 overs.

Tidied for accuracy.

If you’re doing a root and branch review of domestic cricket, EVERY single aspect of domestic cricket has to be considered. That’s why Strauss’ Review was massively flawed.

As someone else put so eloquently previously, it’s like having a review into how the Ukraine conflict started, without being allowed to consider any influence by/from Russia.


With an attitude like that women would never have gained the vote, slavery would never have been abolished and Sunderland would’ve lost the 1973 FA Cup Final.

Stop being a useful idiot.

Don’t be ridiculous

 

[brandon]

Don’t be ridiculous

Is that the best you can do?

Which part of it was ridiculous? Parts of it are factually correct and therefore completely undeniable.

I don’t think it will ever get scrapped but certainly hope it changed to 20 overs.

It being changed to 20 overs would in fact mean the scrapping of ‘The Hundred’.

Now who is being ridiculous

Aside from that, are you willing to bet your login on it never being scrapped?

 

[Voice of fair play]

Is that the best you can do?

Which part of it was ridiculous? Parts of it are factually correct and therefore completely undeniable.


It being changed to 20 overs would in fact mean the scrapping of ‘The Hundred’.

Now who is being ridiculous

Aside from that, are you willing to bet your login on it never being scrapped?

The ridiculous part is comparing a short format tournament currently going no where to slavery.

As I have said many many times could not care less if hundred scrapped and it may well be as you say if changed to 20 overs in the truer since of the word.

However a short format franchise completion in a designated window is here to stay so the hundred may get modified to T20 hope it does.

 

[brandon]

The ridiculous part is comparing a short format tournament currently going no where to slavery.

FFS

 

[Voice of fair play]

FFS

Exactly

 

[brandon]

Exactly

*Insert Mark Twain quote here*

 

[Parkside]

I don’t think it will ever get scrapped but certainly hope it changed to 20 overs.

Don’t be ridiculous

Well if it's changed to 20 overs it reverts to T20 and the Hundred,by definition,no longer exists i.e. It's been scrapped.

"If you’re doing a root and branch review of domestic cricket, EVERY single aspect of domestic cricket has to be considered. That’s why Strauss’ Review was massively flawed"
How's that ridiculous?. It's 100% factually true.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Well if it's changed to 20 overs it reverts to T20 and the Hundred,by definition,no longer exists i.e. It's been scrapped.

"If you’re doing a root and branch review of domestic cricket, EVERY single aspect of domestic cricket has to be considered. That’s why Strauss’ Review was massively flawed"
How's that ridiculous?. It's 100% factually true.

Yeah if changed to 20 overs then it’s scrapped it you want to go down that route.

But you know my point by now or least you should, there will be a major franchise tournament in a summer window that is what will not be scrapped, it may be modified like I said but still there.

If you two want to win that argument over the word scrapped you have!!

 

[Parkside]

Yeah if changed to 20 overs then it’s scrapped it you want to go down that route.

But you know my point by now or least you should, there will be a major franchise tournament in a summer window that is what will not be scrapped, it may be modified like I said but still there.

If you two want to win that argument over the word scrapped you have!!

Oh,come on. The Strauss report was a farce when limitations were imposed on it. Chill out.
It's the franchise route that worries me. That 'll kill cricket. Franchises will only exist for profit e g. They'll take more money out than they put in. When that doesn't happen they'll bail out with cricket bankrupt.
That's why any genuine cricket lovers vehemently opposes the Hundred with it franchise implications

 

[Voice of fair play]

Oh,come on. The Strauss report was a farce when limitations were imposed on it. Chill out.
It's the franchise route that worries me. That 'll kill cricket. Franchises will only exist for profit e g. They'll take more money out than they put in. When that doesn't happen they'll bail out with cricket bankrupt.

But it was inevitable mate that the Strauss review were not going to review and scrap it when it had just started so of course it had limitations imposed on it.

You know that everybody did, I know you strongly disagree with it and totally get that.

But you knew that before the review started, we all did.

They should have just been more transparent from the start and said as much.

We need to get real the ECB want this to be a success and profitable and are looking for foreign investment to make it bigger and better.

They not going to let it be scrapped before it gets of the ground, we all know that.

So the debate needs to more on imo and discuss how to get the balance right around it, that what Root and others are suggesting, constantly suggesting something to be scrapped which we know isn’t going to happen is totally counterproductive imo

 

[Parkside]

But it was inevitable mate that the Strauss review were not going to review and scrap it when it had just started so of course it had limitations imposed on it.

You know that everybody did, I know you strongly disagree with it and totally get that.

But you knew that before the review started, we all did.

They should have just been more transparent from the start and said as much.

We need to get real the ECB want this to be a success and profitable and are looking for foreign investment to make it bigger and better.

They not going to let it be scrapped before it gets of the ground, we all know that.

So the debate needs to more on imo and discuss how to get the balance right around it, that what Root and others are suggesting, constantly suggesting something to be scrapped which we know isn’t going to happen is totally counterproductive imo

Yeh,Ok.Meekly join the flock like lambs to the slaughter.Test Matches with all it's revenue makes a healthy profit year on year. No need for risky franchises. What works in India won't work in England. There's no comparison between the support bases.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Yeh,Ok.Meekly join the flock like lambs to the slaughter.Test Matches with all it's revenue makes a healthy profit year on year. No need for risky franchises. What works in India won't work in England. There's no comparison between the support bases.

No just understand where cricket going and has been for the last 20 years

Every single major cricket country has a short format competition in a designated window.

They is absolutely no reason with the proper investment to attract the top players and have as many available as possible during that window why this country can’t have the second most successful short format competition in the world.

 

[Steak Pie]

Yeah if changed to 20 overs then it’s scrapped it you want to go down that route.

But you know my point by now or least you should, there will be a major franchise tournament in a summer window that is what will not be scrapped, it may be modified like I said but still there.

If you two want to win that argument over the word scrapped you have!!

A mere 4 years ago there was no such thing as 'franchise' cricket here, but now you won't even consider any other alternative.

You have to wonder where this hate towards the fans of Durham, Leicestershire, Kent, Worcester etc etc. came from.

 

[Parkside]

No just understand where cricket going and has been for the last 20 years

Every single major cricket country has a short format competition in a designated window.

They is absolutely no reason with the proper investment to attract the top players and have as many available as possible during that window why this country can’t have the second most successful short format competition in the world.

I give up. England have had a successful short format competition in a designated window for years-it's called T 20 blast.They're also healthy financially uniquely through test match revenue.Why the need for risky franchises!
One of the reasons you won't attract the top players is BCCI won't allow Indian players to compete and without Indian players there won't be major investment.
Yes,but you swallow ECB and Bostock 's propaganda and watch the sport many love die

 

[Voice of fair play]

I give up. England have had a successful short format competition in a designated window for years-it's called T 20 blast.They're also healthy financially uniquely through test match revenue.Why the need for risky franchises!
One of the reasons you won't attract the top players is BCCI won't allow Indian players to compete and without Indian players there won't be major investment.
Yes,but you swallow ECB and Bostock 's propaganda and watch the sport many love die

After listening to Bostock a couple of times now on podcasts and reading what he says I agree with 99% of what he says.

He across as intelligent, with a lot of common sense, clearly been a sport lover all his life and a forward thinking bloke.

The last thing he wants is the sport to die

 

[Parkside]

After listening to Bostock a couple of times now on podcasts and reading what he says I agree with 99% of what he says.

He across as intelligent, with a lot of common sense, clearly been a sport lover all his life and a forward thinking bloke.

The last thing he wants is the sport to die

Yeh,I read his Luddite article and watched a podcast with him been questioned by Atherton. Denied the fact that English cricket is financially healthy and produced no evidence that Franchise cricket would be the way forward in England. I'd say people who swallow his propaganda are gullible but each to his own. Someday,before cricket dies, we might find some topic we agree on.

 

[Voice of fair play]

Yeh,I read his Luddite article and watched a podcast with him been questioned by Atherton. Denied the fact that English cricket is financially healthy and produced no evidence that Franchise cricket would be the way forward in England. I'd say people who swallow his propaganda are gullible but each to his own. Someday,before cricket dies, we might find some topic we agree on.

I think although respect your view, we fundamentally miles apart.

I do resent slightly your suggestion it’s propaganda and gullible rather than just own personal views which I and others may have, but don’t take it personally.

As totally accept you very passionate on this subject and cricket.

You very much entitled to your view as am I.

Further investment and cricket been more high profile on telly etc where every game in a competition is live on that telly will enhance and prolong the game imo not the opposite

A mere 4 years ago there was no such thing as 'franchise' cricket here, but now you won't even consider any other alternative.

You have to wonder where this hate towards the fans of Durham, Leicestershire, Kent, Worcester etc etc. came from.

It’s not soo much not considering it, it’s the feasibility of it in terms of a designated window of a competition.

We have been down this road before what contributes to other competitions around the world been a success imo.

Is each game in that competition is live on the telly as a stand alone event with all the focus on that game on that particular day.

That can be achieved in a designated window in the summer with a small number of teams, would be very difficult with time constraints to do that with the number of counties we have.

 

[Parkside]

I think although respect your view, we fundamentally miles apart.

I do resent slightly your suggestion it’s propaganda and gullible rather than just own personal views which I and others may have, but don’t take it personally.

As totally accept you very passionate on this subject and cricket.

You very much entitled to your view as am I.

Further investment and cricket been more high profile on telly etc where every game in a competition is live on that telly will enhance and prolong the game imo not the opposite

It's propaganda if you make claims without any evidence to base them on. Obviously clever marketing enhances any product. Durham have got a near sell out a month before their 1st T20 game through good marketing and competitive pricing. No franchise,so called super stars or TV coverage required. Just a local team which indicates there's a market for the local product.

 

[Steak Pie]

I think although respect your view, we fundamentally miles apart.

I do resent slightly your suggestion it’s propaganda and gullible rather than just own personal views which I and others may have, but don’t take it personally.

As totally accept you very passionate on this subject and cricket.

You very much entitled to your view as am I.

Further investment and cricket been more high profile on telly etc where every game in a competition is live on that telly will enhance and prolong the game imo not the opposite

It’s not soo much not considering it, it’s the feasibility of it in terms of a designated window of a competition.

We have been down this road before what contributes to other competitions around the world been a success imo.

Is each game in that competition is live on the telly as a stand alone event with all the focus on that game on that particular day.

That can be achieved in a designated window in the summer with a small number of teams, would be very difficult with time constraints to do that with the number of counties we have.

One game per day? That's just about the only thing you can hang your hat on. Good job it never rains in Britain or you might be left with days of dead airtime.

As we discussed years ago, every other thing they used to justify franchise cricket, has proven to be bollocks.

I see the latest thing is threatening the 10 other counties with a breakaway if they don't vote to cut their own throats. As predicted.

We won't have 18 first class counties soon, and at that point I'll walk away from the sport. And people like yourself won't even be sorry for what you've done.

 

[Voice of fair play]

It's propaganda if you make claims without any evidence to base them on. Obviously clever marketing enhances any product. Durham have got a near sell out a month before their 1st T20 game through good marketing and competitive pricing. No franchise,so called super stars or TV coverage required. Just a local team which indicates there's a market for the local product.

They would because short format entertaining cricket is what fans like to watch.

One game per day? That's just about the only thing you can hang your hat on. Good job it never rains in Britain or you might be left with days of dead airtime.

As we discussed years ago, every other thing they used to justify franchise cricket, has proven to be bollocks.

I see the latest thing is threatening the 10 other counties with a breakaway if they don't vote to cut their own throats. As predicted.

We won't have 18 first class counties soon, and at that point I'll walk away from the sport. And people like yourself won't even be sorry for what you've done.

Pretty sure I haven’t done anything in the slightest apart from having a genuine honest view on a message board