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Joe Root and Jos Buttler big bash

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Liverpool Beachball said:
It’s all about the World Cup next year as far as the ECB is concerned
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It is a bit. I don't mind tbh. We've never won it and I honestly think right now we are a major trophy away from being acclaimed possibly the best one day side in history.

But as soon as its over - the whole coaching team should be sacked. It's fine to prioritise ODI occasionally, if you have a home World Cup for example. But generally the Test team should come first and, well, Bayliss and co are a useless Test coaching team.
 
Comeback_Kenwyne said:
It is a bit. I don't mind tbh. We've never won it and I honestly think right now we are a major trophy away from being acclaimed possibly the best one day side in history.

But as soon as its over - the whole coaching team should be sacked. It's fine to prioritise ODI occasionally, if you have a home World Cup for example. But generally the Test team should come first and, well, Bayliss and co are a useless Test coaching team.
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There is a contradiction!!! win a major trophy be acclaimed possibly the best one day side in history your words.

Then after achieving such a thing as winning the World Cup sack them all!!
 
Surprised at Root, Buttler could pretty could command his own T20 fee, be interesting to see how much he goes for in the IPL next Spring.
 
Comeback_Kenwyne said:
They should already have been peddled as Test coaches.

I'm clearly making a distinction between ODI and Test.

You know that and are just being argumentative.
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Don't think soo, it seems when they win test matches Baylis gets no credit, but gets plentky of criticism when we don't.

In his first ashes series we were big outsiders after been thumbed down they about 8 months previously, yet he got them performing and won that series, everywhere else he seems to command the utmost respect and rightly soo.
 
Voice of fair play said:
Don't think soo, it seems when they win test matches Baylis gets no credit, but gets plentky of criticism when we don't.

In his first ashes series we were big outsiders after been thumbed down they about 8 months previously, yet he got them performing and won that series, everywhere else he seems to command the utmost respect and rightly soo.
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The teams shown no discernible improvement and, if anything, gone backwards.

Yes, they are decent at home, poor away. Yes, that applies to most teams in test cricket at the moment. But the home series are getting tighter, the away wins more distant. I don't rate him as a test coach at all.

One day, cannot be faulted.
 
Rip Van Fish said:
I know I am changing sports but I always said Conte won the league at Chelsea a year too early
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Unfortunately football is too impatient with managers getting sacked way too early, god forbid cricket goes down that line.

Comeback_Kenwyne said:
The teams shown no discernible improvement and, if anything, gone backwards.

Yes, they are decent at home, poor away. Yes, that applies to most teams in test cricket at the moment. But the home series are getting tighter, the away wins more distant. I don't rate him as a test coach at all.

One day, cannot be faulted.
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You are spot on about teams when tests are played at home, in fact the gap and advantage of been at home in a test match has never been as wide.

Teams like India and England and most others when they have home advantage are massively different nowadays, which in fact makes test cricket more predictable and as a result less of a interest to me.

I know I am in the minority but for that very reason I find other formats more interesting and more entertaining, along with the fact I have always preferred to watch attacking cricket.

Therefore for us to have a coach who prefers a attacking style and have our white ball cricket at such a high level ( possibly best it's ever been) me personally I think that's a fanastic thing, even if it means we lose some test matches abroad, because as I alluded to earlier, most teams lose test series abroad nowadays as the advantage is far too much to the home side, anyway imo.
 
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Voice of fair play said:
Unfortunately football is too impatient with managers getting sacked way too early, god forbid cricket goes down that line.
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Absolutely. I'm pretty much of the opinion that whatever football does cricket should do the opposite.
Comeback_Kenwyne said:
The teams shown no discernible improvement and, if anything, gone backwards.

Yes, they are decent at home, poor away. Yes, that applies to most teams in test cricket at the moment. But the home series are getting tighter, the away wins more distant. I don't rate him as a test coach at all.

One day, cannot be faulted.
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Essentially the Test team has one main problem and that's not down to the coach. This is that English cricket is not producing opening (top three) batsmen. We're producing plenty of middle order batsmen and all rounders but not solid defend your wicket at all costs top order batsmen.

Incidentally. Not very long ago the England team didn't have 1 all rounder but now we have (pretty much) three, Stokes, Ali and Woakes. With the first two producing very good returns over the past few years.

I can't help thinking that's the influence of 50 over and especially T20 cricket. Players with a good defence in red ball and a high strike rate in T20 are rare to non-existent, English ones anyway.
 
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