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Jared Gillet


molthemackem said:
They bring a lot of it on themselves in reality. One week its a foul, Penalty, offside because of a toenail, push the next week its not . These referees all have to train together, attend seminars and have updates on what right or not during the season. They are scrutinised by, supposedly, top officials during the training and yet still manage sing from a different hymn sheet on a matchday by giving different decision on same or similar infringements.
One of the big things I've noticed and am sure many others have also, one that seems to have slipped under the radar is that prior to Xmas, being clearly pushed in the back, two handed, does not now constitute a foul where as before Xmas it did? Likewise, the amount of holding (Arsenal v Chelsea) should have resulted in goals being chalked off for arms around a players neck/back/shoulders and at least four Penalty awards being given for what were clear fouls. The same fouls that produced yellow cards in the outfield.
On VAR, I don't know just what these operators are seeing unless they are all kitted out with Stevie Wonders spectacles.
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No two decisions are identical. Lots of calls are down to interpretation. You could have a contentious decision ask ten footy fans what they think and it could be a 50/50 split and that doesn't mean any of them are wrong and that's just the same as officials too. These people aren't robots, they are human being just like footy fans are
 
redandwhiterob said:
What's the alternative? Do you think its possible for them not to make mistakes that may cost teams games? Has there ever been a time where they haven't made mistakes that cost teams games? How would you fix it?
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The problem could be fixed ,imo, quite easily. Stop giving the so called "Elite" referees the same game week in week out. Any Fully qualified referee with at least ,say , 5 years experience officiating a professional football match, should be allowed to referee a football match no matter what league. If they have a great game all well and good and will be praised the very same as if they make a mistake they will be scorned. At least, as a fully qualified referee they will be officiating as an equal.
 
redandwhiterob said:
No two decisions are identical. Lots of calls are down to interpretation. You could have a contentious decision ask ten footy fans what they think and it could be a 50/50 split and that doesn't mean any of them are wrong and that's just the same as officials too. These people aren't robots, they are human being just like footy fans are
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If you ask ten Sunderland fans, all of the panel that was on Soccer Saturday ( including Mike Dean) the MOtD presenter and panel (which by the way included Alan Shearer) if Saturday’s Le Fée incident was a penalty the answer would unequivocally be yes, how do you explain Jared Gillet and worse still the VAR team get it wrong.

Granted if you ask ten Bournemouth fans or ten Newcastle fans the same question then their answer may be different, but not for logical reasons.
 
redandwhiterob said:
No two decisions are identical. Lots of calls are down to interpretation. You could have a contentious decision ask ten footy fans what they think and it could be a 50/50 split and that doesn't mean any of them are wrong and that's just the same as officials too. These people aren't robots, they are human being just like footy fans are
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You don't need to be a qualified referee to spot the inexplicable decisions made by last week's referee.

Or do you think he was right? All about opinions as you say...
 
redandwhiterob said:
No two decisions are identical. Lots of calls are down to interpretation. You could have a contentious decision ask ten footy fans what they think and it could be a 50/50 split and that doesn't mean any of them are wrong and that's just the same as officials too. These people aren't robots, they are human being just like footy fans are
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What was the concensous on the Le Fée penalty appeal?
 
molthemackem said:
The problem could be fixed ,imo, quite easily. Stop giving the so called "Elite" referees the same game week in week out. Any Fully qualified referee with at least ,say , 5 years experience officiating a professional football match, should be allowed to referee a football match no matter what league. If they have a great game all well and good and will be praised the very same as if they make a mistake they will be scorned. At least, as a fully qualified referee they will be officiating as an equal.
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Hows that going to fix the problem? These who step up would only be making the same mistakes as the others. You remember our days in league one? The officials were slaughtered probably more so than they are now
YorkMackem said:
What was the concensous on the Le Fée penalty appeal?
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Ive said a million times man the officials fucked up massively for that decision. :lol:
 
Voice of fair play said:
If gamesmanship has increased which I agree it has.

There should be a constructive conversation on how we can help refs on the field.

Authorities should look at replays after games ban players for a considerable time when they have seen perfect replays and know for certain a particular player has dived/cheated that may stop it and make it easier for refs going forward.

To expect a ref in real time to spot all the gamesmanship on the field is unfair and all the evidence shows that to be the case.

For the sake of your argument if you want to achieve higher standards let’s help them let’s think of way to stop cheating.

Instead (not by you) we have a high number of people just simply abusing them every week, not understanding the obvious high difficulty of having to make real time decisions in proven difficult circumstances.

You even have grown up men who think certain refs have purposely given decisions against their club because they don’t like their club.

I mean do me a favour.

If we want to achieve the higher standards you after the whole culture needs to change and look at other sports and the culture they have towards officiating and start to help these blokes not abuse them.

Because if the culture doesn’t change we have no chance of doing soo, and more and more possible good refs taking up the game will think ‘fuck that’ they is no way I am taking this game up to be abused week in week out.
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Fanatics look for excuses if their team don't win and the officials are the obvious target. Of course,it's frequently unfair but equally,there are occasions where they err and criticism is valid.However,you perpetually ranting on about it ain't going to change the situation one iota
There's currently discussions to how to prevent or lessen the wrestling and manhandling at set pieces but there are rules in place already and officials have been lax in applying them. They have been equally lax in allowing abuse directed at them by players. Referees are far from blameless.
Simulation is admittedly very difficult to call which is why I advocate retrospective punishment. But again why haven't the referees themselves demanded it?
 
sponge said:
Just for the record I’m not one for saying refs don’t like us etc and I’m certainly not paranoid, this decision has just really narked me and I would absolutely love to hear the ref / var people explain it. Yeah I get your point about him not having the bottle to over rule the ref, that’s absolutely possible too and on reflection probably the reason. I’m sure we can both agree tho that it’s wrong and should never have happened which is the frustrating issue for safc fans who feel really wronged by the incident.
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Of course that’s a more than fair post mate
viccarlton said:
Read your post and ask yourself who is the custodian of integrity during the game, I’m sure you will be able to work out why the cheating in the game continues, it’s because the officials don’t do their job, officiate the game as it should be and they’ll regain respect from players and fans.
I’m all for bookings/sending offs for requisite misdemeanours, but referees again choose when to let them go and when to penalise, again making a rod for their own backs.
They’re a law unto themselves, no wonder they
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The whole culture your argument is coming from is totally wrong.

“ it’s not our faults we cheating in the first place’

How about taking some responsibility.

‘No it’s the refs fault for not stopping us cheating’

How about the authorities banning players for it after watching replays.

No we will hang out the refs to dry expecting the impossible for refs in real time, from one angle, one look to spot players who are now well practiced and experts and making dives look like fouls.
Basically let’s the teams not only allow but encourage their players to cheat, The authorities do fuck all about as they know it happening they could ban players after the game.

No fucker does nothing at all, and who gets the blame the ref on the field when years and years of evidence has proved how difficult it is to spot in real time.

Really fair that like
 
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Voice of fair play said:
Of course that’s a more than fair post mate



The whole culture your argument is coming from is totally wrong.

“ it’s not our faults we cheating in the first place’

How about taking some responsibility.

‘No it’s the refs fault for not stopping us cheating’

How about the authorities banning players for it after watching replays.

No we will hang out the refs to dry expecting the impossible for refs in real time, from one angle, one look to spot players who are now well practiced and experts and making dives look like fouls.
Basically let’s the teams not only allow but encourage their players to cheat, The authorities do fuck all about as they know it happening they could ban players after the game.

No fucker does nothing at all, and who gets the blame the ref on the field when years and years of evidence has proved how difficult it is to spot in real time.

Really fair that like
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Once again you manage to read a post and interpret it to say what you think, there's only one person on the field that can punish the cheats and they don't.
Unless it's punished the cheats will keep doing it, I'm flogging a dead horse here like and like you I think it's wearing blinkers.
 
Parkside said:
Fanatics look for excuses if their team don't win and the officials are the obvious target. Of course,it's frequently unfair but equally,there are occasions where they err and criticism is valid.However,you perpetually ranting on about it ain't going to change the situation one iota
There's currently discussions to how to prevent or lessen the wrestling and manhandling at set pieces but there are rules in place already and officials have been lax in applying them. They have been equally lax in allowing abuse directed at them by players. Referees are far from blameless.
Simulation is admittedly very difficult to call which is why I advocate retrospective punishment. But again why haven't the referees themselves demanded it?
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Well I would hope people after watching football for years and years can now come to the sensible and rational conclusion that evidence proves it very difficult in real time to be confident of simulation and therefore book people for it.

And it would be better to try and eradicate it by retrospectively punishing people.

Hence helping the refs rather than putting everything on them.
viccarlton said:
Once again you manage to read a post and interpret it to say what you think, there's only one person on the field that can punish the cheats and they don't.
Unless it's punished the cheats will keep doing it, I'm flogging a dead horse here like and like you I think it's wearing blinkers.
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And there is only one person who cheats in the first place.

There is nothing to stop if cheating didn’t happen to start with.

It should be punished when you absolutely certain it was a cheat and the best way to do that is after the game when you have seen the replay.

Than during the game when at times in real time it too hard to tell.
 
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Voice of fair play said:
Well I would hope people after watching football for years and years can now come to the sensible and rational conclusion that evidence proves it very difficult in real time to be confident of simulation and therefore book people for it.

And it would be better to try and eradicate it by retrospectively punishing people.

Hence helping the refs rather than putting everything on them.

And there is only one person who cheats in the first place.

There is nothing to stop if cheating didn’t happen to start with.

It should be punished when you absolutely certain it was a cheat and the best way to do that is after the game when you have seen the replay.

Than during the game when at times in real time it too hard to tell.
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Aye and we've all seen how good they are at reviewing video evidence haven't we.
 
Like Duracell batteries these lads

Why care SO much that these theads happen every week.

Fans will vent, just let get the on with it. Its always the same trio being the devout defenders of refs. Slightly weird really

One admitted to not being a Sunderland supporter, one is apparently a mag. Not sure what Robs defence is ;)

I don’t include AC. He’s usually pretty balanced and also did decent match day reports
 
viccarlton said:
Aye and we've all seen how good they are at reviewing video evidence haven't we.
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Well yeah that’s a fair point and Saturday proves your point by VAR unbelievably not overturning the decision made on the field.

Never a less it miles more easier and more fair to refs on the field to ban players for cheating after watching replays and been certain of it.

Rather then expecting to stop it on the field when it’s proven through years and years of evidence how difficult it is to be certain in real time
 
G Force said:
Like Duracell batteries these lads

Why care SO much that these theads happen every week.

Fans will vent, just let get the on with it. Its always the same trio being the devout defenders of refs. Slightly weird really

One admitted to not being a Sunderland supporter, one is apparently a mag. Not sure what Robs defence is ;)

I don’t include AC. He’s usually pretty balanced and also did decent match day reports
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It's a subject that absolutely fascinates me marra tbh. Whatever you may think of my opinions I think I put across some rational posts on the subject and certainly don't shy away from any type of sensible debate unlike others who hide behind there laughing smilies
InsomniacAttack said:
So you admit there's a problem?
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It's a problem that's always existed. Im asking you how you'd fix it?
 
redandwhiterob said:
It's a subject that absolutely fascinates me marra tbh. Whatever you may think of my opinions I think I put across some rational posts on the subject and certainly don't shy away from any type of sensible debate unlike others who hide behind there laughing smilies


It's a problem that's always existed. Im asking you how you'd fix it?
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OK, so the issue you have is with people highlighting that there's a problem.

That makes more sense.
 
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