James Tredwell

[The Breen Machine]

Alastair Cook doesnt exactly have a repertoire of shots, neither does Strauss

What an awful comparison. Strauss and Cook, like many batsmen have their favoured areas and thankfully none of them are cow corner. When Wright first came to the crease yesterday he looked like he could be out any ball, his defensive technique is very basic and his range of scoring shots very limited.

 

[essex boy]

At least Cook has some opening experience. They've spent years chopping and changing the opening partnership, mostly cos of the keeper changing every couple of months. About time they just picked a top 7 and stuck with it for more than two weeks.

After the last ODI world cup, the one day side was in 2007

Cook
Prior
Bell
KP
Collingwood
Flintoff
Bopara
Mascarenhas
Broad
Tremlett
Anderson



Prior, Bopara, Collingwood, Tremlett, Bell & now Jimmy have all been dropped and subsequently bought back leading up to the world cup

*appreciate Colly/Jimmy is more recent

Just goes to show the selectors havent a clue and keep reverting back to the test players in the main

What an awful comparison. Strauss and Cook, like many batsmen have their favoured areas and thankfully none of them are cow corner. When Wright first came to the crease yesterday he looked like he could be out any ball, his defensive technique is very basic and his range of scoring shots very limited.

your technique doesnt have to be good in one day cricket, the comparison is good to make, as it shows in either format players dont need a vast array of shots to suceed

 

[The Breen Machine]

your technique doesnt have to be good in one day cricket, the comparison is good to make, as it shows in either format players dont need a vast array of shots to suceed

The comparison is not good to make, Wright bats at 7 in our ODI team and slogs a few, Cook and Strauss open the batting in test matches which is far more challenging to a batsman's technique. Wright's technique would not stand up in the top order of the test or ODI side, it simply isn't good enough.

 

[essex boy]

The comparison is not good to make, Wright bats at 7 in our ODI team and slogs a few, Cook and Strauss open the batting in test matches which is far more challenging to a batsman's technique. Wright's technique would not stand up in the top order of the test or ODI side, it simply isn't good enough.

I never said it would, neither did Flintoffs

would make a handy number 7. As I previously said, all rounders have two disciplines to master and most players who only have to master one get culled after a few games, because in England your a hero today and zero tomorrow

 

[The Breen Machine]

I never said it would, neither did Flintoffs

would make a handy number 7. As I previously said, all rounders have two disciplines to master and most players who only have to master one get culled after a few games, because in England your a hero today and zero tomorrow

But if even you can see his technique is questionable, why would you put him at 7 ahead or Prior who averages over 40 in tests?

Wright's bowling would be nothing more than a filler at test level, a few overs to give the others a rest.

Flintoff had a fantastic classical technique against all except spin. He really should have averaged more and he was a good a driver of the ball you will see.

 

[essex boy]

But if even you can see his technique is questionable, why would you put him at 7 ahead or Prior who averages over 40 in tests?

Wright's bowling would be nothing more than a filler at test level, a few overs to give the others a rest.

Flintoff had a fantastic classical technique against all except spin. He really should have averaged more and he was a good a driver of the ball you will see.

we drop colly, shift Prior up to 6 or have I missed something :roll:

Flintoff went hard at the ball outside off, he had a limited technique and just like to hit his way out of trouble....he was lucky not to be batting 8 by the time he finished in the test side

 

[The Breen Machine]

we drop colly, shift Prior up to 6 or have I missed something :roll:

Flintoff went hard at the ball outside off, he had a limited technique and just like to hit his way out of trouble....he was lucky not to be batting 8 by the time he finished in the test side

We could but the selectors may want to accomodate Morgan, either way if does not make Wright a test number 7 purely because there's a space in the team. The only international class part of his game is his fielding, he needs to go back to county cricket and work on the technical side of his game.

Flintoff's batting did tail off a bit dramtically towards the end of his career. But he went through a good 18 months of batting 6 in tests and averaging over 40. Technically he was very good, it was shot selection that always let him down.

 

[essex boy]

We could but the selectors may want to accomodate Morgan, either way if does not make Wright a test number 7 purely because there's a space in the team. The only international class part of his game is his fielding, he needs to go back to county cricket and work on the technical side of his game.

Flintoff's batting did tail off a bit dramtically towards the end of his career. But he went through a good 18 months of batting 6 in tests and averaging over 40. Technically he was very good, it was shot selection that always let him down.

Flintoff had one good summer with the bat and dissapointed for the rest of his career

Players are always remembered to be better than they actually were once they retire, its just an english trait

Wright will never get the chance to learn his trade in the test arena and develop both facets of his game, another english disease

 

[Dexter]

Wright will never get the chance to learn his trade in the test arena and develop both facets of his game, another english disease

I think that's more down to the fact he's not good enough more than it being an 'English disease'.

 

[The Breen Machine]

Flintoff had one good summer with the bat and dissapointed for the rest of his career

Players are always remembered to be better than they actually were once they retire, its just an english trait

Wright will never get the chance to learn his trade in the test arena and develop both facets of his game, another english disease

I know what summer you are referring to but the summer before he was in very good form and the winter after the Ashes he hit something like 6 50's in a row during the series in India, so his form did not dilute to just the Ashes summer. For the record I was never a massively believer of the Flintoff hype and found him to be quite overrated, but one thing I can't deny is that technically he was good enough to have averaged a lot more than he did in test cricket.

Wright may get his chance but he has shown nothing in the ODI side to suggest he is capable of holding his own at test level, he isn't a bad cricketer and seems a great team man, but he's a long way off being test standard IMO.

 

[essex boy]

I think that's more down to the fact he's not good enough more than it being an 'English disease'.

cant be arsed to go down this road again, if players arent given a proper run you never know

as we saw with Rentaghost, people are quick to tell the world how shit someone is after a few poor performances, its the same with the media, then the selectors jettison the said player

I know what summer you are referring to but the summer before he was in very good form and the winter after the Ashes he hit something like 6 50's in a row during the series in India, so his form did not dilute to just the Ashes summer. For the record I was never a massively believer of the Flintoff hype and found him to be quite overrated, but one thing I can't deny is that technically he was good enough to have averaged a lot more than he did in test cricket.

Wright may get his chance but he has shown nothing in the ODI side to suggest he is capable of holding his own at test level, he isn't a bad cricketer and seems a great team man, but he's a long way off being test standard IMO.

agreed, but a test average of 30 is crap when even an average to half decent test player should average 45

I have never said he is test standard, I said he needs polishing

 

[Dexter]

cant be arsed to go down this road again, if players arent given a proper run you never know

as we saw with Rentaghost, people are quick to tell the world how shit someone is after a few poor performances, its the same with the media, then the selectors jettison the said player

I'm never going to be given a proper run in the test team; so does that mean we'll never know if I'm going to be good enough for test cricket?

It doesn't take a genius to work out that his batting technique is not good enough and his bowling is nowhere near threatening enough to make it as a genuine test all-rounder. He averages very nearly 40 in the County Championship FFS.

 

[essex boy]

I'm never going to be given a proper run in the test team; so does that mean we'll never know if I'm going to be good enough for test cricket?

It doesn't take a genius to work out that his batting technique is not good enough and his bowling is nowhere near threatening enough to make it as a genuine test all-rounder. He averages very nearly 40 in the County Championship FFS.

Trescothick averaged about 30 with the bat in county cricket before he was called up, might not have even been that

If you cant debate without making stupid remarks like comparing a pc warrior to a first class cricket.

end of debate

 

[Dexter]

Trescothick averaged about 30 with the bat in county cricket before he was called up, might not have even been that

If you cant debate without making stupid remarks like comparing a pc warrior to a first class cricket.

end of debate

Just because the likes of Trescothick and Vaughan didn't have exemplary county records it doesn't mean you can keep using them as examples as to why players like Wright should be given a chance otherwise we'd have tens of decent county pros lining up to be given a chance for England.

He's been around the one day setup for long enough now and I'm afraid I don't see what you see in him. His repatoire of shots is extremely limited and his bowling is mediocre at best; absolutely no way he is ready for test cricket.

 

[The Breen Machine]

agreed, but a test average of 30 is crap when even an average to half decent test player should average 45

I have never said he is test standard, I said he needs polishing

I agree, and Flintoff can only blame his own bad shot selections for that, he had enough natural gifts to have averaged a lot more.

He needs a lot of polishing, there's decent raw attributes, he seems to bowl tightly under pressure, but I don't think he or the England setup know what type of cricketer he should be.

 

[essex boy]

I agree, and Flintoff can only blame his own bad shot selections for that, he had enough natural gifts to have averaged a lot more.

He needs a lot of polishing, there's decent raw attributes, he seems to bowl tightly under pressure, but I don't think he or the England setup know what type of cricketer he should be.

which is what I am saying

How many genuine all rounders are there in world cricket, next to none, because its so hard

 

[The Breen Machine]

which is what I am saying

How many genuine all rounders are there in world cricket, next to none, because its so hard

It's all well and good having raw attributes but he is 26 now, he's running out of time. By that age Botham was the best about and Flintoff was really hitting his stride.

 

[essex boy]

It's all well and good having raw attributes but he is 26 now, he's running out of time. By that age Botham was the best about and Flintoff was really hitting his stride.

same age as Strauss, Colingwood, Trescothick & Vaughan all broke through in the test arena despite none being prolific at county level

 

[The Breen Machine]

same age as Strauss, Colingwood, Trescothick & Vaughan all broke through in the test arena despite none being prolific at county level

They were batsmen

Wright isn't showing any top quality at either of his disciplines.

 

[Dexter]

same age as Strauss, Colingwood, Trescothick & Vaughan all broke through in the test arena despite none being prolific at county level

Each case is unique though surely. Just because those players blossomed later on in their career it doesn't mean players like Wright will either; espeically when it appears they don't have the basic attributes to play test match cricket.