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Jack Clarke

Mag Slayer said:
The whole point of my post I will try and explain to you in a more simple manner as you don’t seem to get it.
Clarke was happy at Sunderland. He was not pushing for a move away from the club.
His agent was working to get a move for Clarke. When Clarke was told what Ipswich was offering, premier league football, at least 2-3 times more salary and the opportunity to test yourself against the best players. He would have very little ambition to turn that down. Yes he could have said I don’t want to play at the highest level and I will still sit on 10k a week instead of 40k a week. Not sure anyone would turn that down unless they have a bump on the head?
Clarke never orchestrated a move away. He could have downed tools if he wanted away.
Maybe you don’t have much ambition in life and that’s fine. Perhaps that’s why you don’t my point.

Maybe. We will never know but his performances didn’t show a bloke who wanted to leave
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Wouldn't have expected any different performance wise as he was a model professional throughout his time here.
 

Mag Slayer said:
The whole point of my post I will try and explain to you in a more simple manner as you don’t seem to get it.
Clarke was happy at Sunderland. He was not pushing for a move away from the club.
His agent was working to get a move for Clarke. When Clarke was told what Ipswich was offering, premier league football, at least 2-3 times more salary and the opportunity to test yourself against the best players. He would have very little ambition to turn that down. Yes he could have said I don’t want to play at the highest level and I will still sit on 10k a week instead of 40k a week. Not sure anyone would turn that down unless they have a bump on the head?
Clarke never orchestrated a move away. He could have downed tools if he wanted away.
Maybe you don’t have much ambition in life and that’s fine. Perhaps that’s why you don’t my point.
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No need to be patronising eh? ;)

I DO actually 'get' it mate - i have said so several times if you'd read my posts. I know footballers get moves for more money etc ......... I was only trying to say it was Jack's ultimate decision to move.

You are also monetising 'ambition' to have a little dig - my life is just fine mate and not motivated by having more money - cheers
 
Keyser Soze said:
No need to be patronising eh? ;)

I DO actually 'get' it mate - i have said so several times if you'd read my posts. I know footballers get moves for more money etc ......... I was only trying to say it was Jack's ultimate decision to move.

You are also monetising 'ambition' to have a little dig - my life is just fine mate and not motivated by having more money - cheers
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🎣. I never said you were motivated by money. Ambition is testing yourself career wise and working at a higher level etc etc
 
Wearson said:
Correct on on all counts.

We can look back at this in a year and see how it all panned out.

The other plus is that his move has freed up the team to play a different way, and it’s working quite well so far.
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Are you suggesting that Jack Clarke couldn't fit in to the way we're playing now?

He played in the first two games of the season.
 
Provider said:
Are you suggesting that Jack Clarke couldn't fit in to the way we're playing now?

He played in the first two games of the season.
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No, I’m talking about a plus that we can take from his leaving.
Instead of being negative and depressed about the inevitable.
It’s far from the end of the world for us.
 
Wearson said:
No, I’m talking about a plus that we can take from his leaving.
Instead of being negative and depressed about the inevitable.
It’s far from the end of the world for us.
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But you said this: "The other plus is that his move has freed up the team to play a different way".

I'm interested in how that's the case?

And I'm not depressed about him leaving at all. I agree with you that it was inevitable.
 
Provider said:
But you said this: "The other plus is that his move has freed up the team to play a different way".

I'm interested in how that's the case?

And I'm not depressed about him leaving at all. I agree with you that it was inevitable.
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The obvious answer is that we have relied upon the “just give it to Jack” play in the past.
Another aspect was that we became reliant on him to score our goals, or to provide them.
Now we have neither, so other players can step up to the plate, we can be a little less predictable. Have different options and more scope.
I would have thought all that was obvious.
 
Wearson said:
The obvious answer is that we have relied upon the “just give it to Jack” play in the past.
Another aspect was that we became reliant on him to score our goals, or to provide them.
Now we have neither, so other players can step up to the plate, we can be a little less predictable. Have different options and more scope.
I would have thought all that was obvious.
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The way you worded your original post suggested that him not being in the team allowed us to play the we we are now.

You are of course totally right about us relying on him too much and him not being here means that other players now need to step up but that's not really what you originally said.
 
Provider said:
The way you worded your original post suggested that him not being in the team allowed us to play the we we are now.

You are of course totally right about us relying on him too much and him not being here means that other players now need to step up but that's not really what you originally said.
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All I said was that his leaving will “free up the team”, which in my mind meant the same thing.
I try to look at the positives as I definitely feel there is life beyond Jack Clarke.
 
Wearson said:
The obvious answer is that we have relied upon the “just give it to Jack” play in the past.
Another aspect was that we became reliant on him to score our goals, or to provide them.
Now we have neither, so other players can step up to the plate, we can be a little less predictable. Have different options and more scope.
I would have thought all that was obvious.
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I'd imagine RLB was really quite worried when he went through the squad's potential and looked at past games, and quickly realised that we were massively over reliant on Clarke, not only for goals, but also for our tactics when attacking.

We could have been amazing with Clarke in the team AND with RLBs press and changes, but because we are now much more balanced and team focused when we play, that has allowed us to be successful even when individuals like Clarke or Neil don't play and long may that continue.
 
Mag Slayer said:
The whole point of my post I will try and explain to you in a more simple manner as you don’t seem to get it.
Clarke was happy at Sunderland. He was not pushing for a move away from the club.
His agent was working to get a move for Clarke. When Clarke was told what Ipswich was offering, premier league football, at least 2-3 times more salary and the opportunity to test yourself against the best players. He would have very little ambition to turn that down. Yes he could have said I don’t want to play at the highest level and I will still sit on 10k a week instead of 40k a week. Not sure anyone would turn that down unless they have a bump on the head?
Clarke never orchestrated a move away. He could have downed tools if he wanted away.
Maybe you don’t have much ambition in life and that’s fine. Perhaps that’s why you don’t my point.

Maybe. We will never know but his performances didn’t show a bloke who wanted to leave
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The frustrating thing is, had the club offered him a contract that reflected his ability sooner then he’d still be our player. As you say, he was happy here.
 
As much as I’m a huge fan of Clarke and am very appreciative of what he gave for our club it has to be also said that if Mundle keeps up this level and Roberts on the other side too then we will be better off as a team. Clarke for what it’s worth I believe won’t set the premier league on fire but this move will catapult him up the pay scale and as much as fans don’t like to admit it this is the real reason p,Ayers move on.
 
Flea Market Trader said:
As much as I’m a huge fan of Clarke and am very appreciative of what he gave for our club it has to be also said that if Mundle keeps up this level and Roberts on the other side too then we will be better off as a team. Clarke for what it’s worth I believe won’t set the premier league on fire but this move will catapult him up the pay scale and as much as fans don’t like to admit it this is the real reason p,Ayers move on.
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Clarke and Mundle don't compare sorry. Yes Mundle has started well but he's nowhere near Clarke.
 
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