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Khukuri said:
Yeah and the pitches dry up in India because it’s f*#%ing India and its hot as shit most of the year.

That’s a nonsense excuse and you know it. Yes, English conditions are more conducive to seam bowling, but its possible to prepare a more sporting pitch in England that offers less to a seamer, just like Indian conditions are more favorable to spin bowling but it’s possible to prepare a pitch in India that offers less to a spinner.

So a rank turner in the sub continent is no different than a greentop
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No prepared test pitch should break up like this on the first day man.

Why do you think teams still bat first in England? It's because it's known if you get past the first hour or two the pitch dries out and the weather warms up. This pitch has been made too break up on the first day. It's not going to get better at any time.

The first test pitch at least was fair representation of what Indian pitches are like.
 
The Rat said:
this joker above @Khukuri thinks its a normal Indian pitch!!
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Never claimed this is a normal pitch. It’s a turner, made to maximize Indian bowling. Designed to inflict maximum pain on cricketers who honed their skills in seaming conditions.
I just made the observation that there is no difference between India preparing a turner and England preparing a greentop
 
Khukuri said:
Never claimed this is a normal pitch. It’s a turner, made to maximize Indian bowling. Designed to inflict maximum pain on cricketers who honed their skills in seaming conditions.
I just made the observation that there is no difference between India preparing a turner and England preparing a greentop
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You made a wrong observation

England dont prepare "green tops"

you're just making stuff up.
 
rentaghost said:
ive seen evidence of 2 incorrect decisions go against us that shouldn’t have. The 3rd umpire yesterday should be sacked for incompetence but he was also an umpire who had a pretty faultless first test. Today there had been absolutely nothing to complain about at all. An umpire giving someone out who was out ffs
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Now you are getting it. What happened between the start of the first and second test to change things from being fair to being ridiculously biased? You got it, India lost on home soil, a rare occurrence and it's obvious pressure has been put on. Same happened with the pitch.
 
Concordsafc said:
Used by Nepalese Gurkhas and a few Indians, off topic did you serve in the army with any of these lads? Or just a username?
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I’m Nepali. I’ve used one for normal butchery for food, no army service. Had to switch to this username a year ago coz I signed up for two-factor auth and then promptly lost my phone
 
I actually dont mind losing in test cricket, I really enjoy the battle, it lasts a long time, its drawn out, it ebbs and flows, you have individual battles within the game, if England lose, I dont get too upset, as I genuinelly enjoy watching it.

That is not test cricket, its garbage, a ball spinning square and taking massive chunks out of the pitch and Jack Leach's first ball 20 minutes into day 1.

Rohit played well, brilliant, but I dont want to watch cricket where 1 bloke scoring a good innings just ends the test match

its like an exhibition game. an absolute farce.

They should be sanctioned for that but fuck all will happen.
 
SAFC 83 said:
Now you are getting it. What happened between the start of the first and second test to change things from being fair to being ridiculously biased? You got it, India lost on home soil, a rare occurrence and it's obvious pressure has been put on. Same happened with the pitch.
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Paranoid bollocks :lol: We mightn’t like the pitch but there’s no conspiracy here. They have prepared a raging turner being 1-0 down and hoping to win the toss (fixed I guess). It’s their absolute right whether you like it or not. Today we have had a batsman absolutely correctly given out lbw and another batsman incorrectly givennot out but overturned correctly on review. It all amounts to two very bad calls yesterday.
 
rentaghost said:
Paranoid bollocks :lol: We mightn’t like the pitch but there’s no conspiracy here. They have prepared a raging turner being 1-0 down and hoping to win the toss (fixed I guess). It’s their absolute right whether you like it or not. Today we have had a batsman absolutely correctly given out lbw and another batsman incorrectly givennot out but overturned correctly on review. It all amounts to two very bad calls yesterday.
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In isolation yes. Now explain the third umpire decisions yesterday?
 
Just watching the Sibley wicket again, the verve with which the Umpire notified the review under instruction from Kohli was strange. It’s like he couldn’t wait.

Sibley was out anyway, not bothered about that, just the tail wagging the dog nature of the review. Umpire is meant to be nothing more than a signal master.
 
The Rat said:
this pitch is an utter disgrace like

how can you be allowed to prepare a pitch like this?
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A lot of talk (correctly) about team selection, however whatever team we selected this match was lost the moment that coin at the toss fell in their favour

Then again big risk by them as if we won the toss could have been very very difficult for them
 
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SAFC 83 said:
In isolation yes. Now explain the third umpire decisions yesterday?
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Well first of all this is what it boils down down to rather than our players correctly being given out lbw or them preparing a pitch that suits them.

Gross incompetence in assuming they were looking at the first phase for the caughtand not seeing it through. The missed stumping should have been given out but it won’t be the first time that umpires err on the side of caution when it is a very tight call. Wrong but those two decisions aren’t evidence of some grand conspiracy imo
 
Voice of fair play said:
A lot of talk (correctly) about team selection, however whatever team we selected this match was lost the moment that coin at the toss fell in their favour

Then again big risk by them as if we won the toss could have been very very difficult for them
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I keep hearing that, and I usually agree, but not sure the toss make any difference

Jack Leach's 1st ball took a massive chunk out of the ball

Fair play to Rohit as I say, but its just not test cricket

George Dobell has just had the worst take by a cricket journalist in history, comparing it to Indian in England

does he think we can change the weather in England or someit?

just amazed how scared of India these blokes are, they darent say a bad word against them
rentaghost said:
Well first of all this is what it boils down down to rather than our players correctly being given out lbw or them preparing a pitch that suits them.

Gross incompetence in assuming they were looking at the first phase for the caughtand not seeing it through. The missed stumping should have been given out but it won’t be the first time that umpires err on the side of caution when it is a very tight call. Wrong but those two decisions aren’t evidence of some grand conspiracy imo
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its not conspiracy, its just pressure from Indian players, this happens, it exists. the umpires arent robots you know.

Mate they literally reviewed Kohli's wicket when he was clean bowled!

they wouldnt do that for Dan Lawrence!!
 
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scaly_piscine said:
I disagree with the idea that Moeen is a good spinner. He averages 37 a wicket. His FC record is 38 per wicket. He bowls some great wicket taking balls, but also a load of dross.

Bess is a far, far better bowler. Honestly I think Root is closer to Moeen than Moeen is to Bess. Root's hard to gauge because his bowling has obviously improved but you don't see much of it.

To me the only value Moeen adds in any format is his ability to hit from ball one, I honestly think he's pretty much obsolete for England in Test cricket. You will get a 70 off 30 balls or 30 off 10 occasionally in the T20s or ODis. But to me he's just too much of a liability now in such a strong and consistent side. Moeen's performance today was pretty much bang on what I'd expect from him, India know the pressure will be off when he comes on to bowl - when he's one of your two main spinners in India... not good.
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Only Murali has a better average against India since 1980. Involving spinners who have bowled a minimum 15 innings against India. So that's not true
 
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