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ID checks for away tickets


Hetty said:
Or checking if an adult is getting in with a kids ticket?
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That not the issue here tho mate, it’s about a kid going in with an adult who gets red flagged randomly, the kid is then alone inside the ground with no parent or guardian with them.

The wrong ticket issue is pretty impossible with away tickets.
 
If I’m being honest I don’t really think this argument about children being left inside or outside is that big of a deal.

The same thing would happen if a paper tickets barcode got wet and wouldn’t scan, the tickets barcode didn’t print correctly, a physical NFC season card didn’t work for whatever reason etc.

You would like to think the stewards would have common sense to be able to deal with that situation and get the child and parents reunited and then allow the ticket office staff to solve whatever the problem is.

It would obviously be bad if it happened to you, but I’m not sure it’s a reason to stop ID checks in this way. In the same way that I don’t think the other issues I’ve mentioned mean we should go back to just having manned turnstiles instead
 
gramw said:
If I’m being honest I don’t really think this argument about children being left inside or outside is that big of a deal.

The same thing would happen if a paper tickets barcode got wet and wouldn’t scan, the tickets barcode didn’t print correctly, a physical NFC season card didn’t work for whatever reason etc.

You would like to think the stewards would have common sense to be able to deal with that situation and get the child and parents reunited and then allow the ticket office staff to solve whatever the problem is.

It would obviously be bad if it happened to you, but I’m not sure it’s a reason to stop ID checks in this way. In the same way that I don’t think the other issues I’ve mentioned mean we should go back to just having manned turnstiles instead
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Until something happens to a bairn and all hell breaks loose. It’s called safeguarding for a reason mate, not hit and hope and see what happens on the turnstile lottery red light.
 
Wearside Wanderer II said:
Until something happens to a bairn and all hell breaks loose. It’s called safeguarding for a reason mate, not hit and hope and see what happens on the turnstile lottery red light.
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My point is more that the clubs should have protocols for when this happens and just be able to get the pair straight back together at the turnstile before any id checks happen.

There’s no reason that a child should have to be left alone in the stadium because of it.
 
gramw said:
My point is more that the clubs should have protocols for when this happens and just be able to get the pair straight back together at the turnstile before any id checks happen.

There’s no reason that a child should have to be left alone in the stadium because of it.
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I agree, at the moment that’s not happening, only a matter of time before some club gets their fingers burnt. Only take one wrongun/idiot/pissed up cokey
 
Be Here Now said:
Simply stop branches getting tickets in bulk and shut the Facebook accounts down would be a good start to not needing id checks

Might also make the away atmosphere better
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The branch thing is a bit harder to handle. They need to guarantee a certain amount to put buses on. It’s an expensive business not filling a bus past break even.

Once branches start to not risk it, that’s when travelling becomes a lot more difficult for a lot of people, whether it’s cost or convenience or enjoyment. Being forced onto say ALS, a dry bus wouldn’t be appealing to lots. Driving, if you can, limits the day if you want a drink, but also causes logistical issues like parking. Train is just very expensive.

Branches provide great service.
 
Longy said:
The branch thing is a bit harder to handle. They need to guarantee a certain amount to put buses on. It’s an expensive business not filling a bus past break even.

Once branches start to not risk it, that’s when travelling becomes a lot more difficult for a lot of people, whether it’s cost or convenience or enjoyment. Being forced onto say ALS, a dry bus wouldn’t be appealing to lots. Driving, if you can, limits the day if you want a drink, but also causes logistical issues like parking. Train is just very expensive.

Branches provide great service.
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I'm not suggesting that branches don't provide a great service. Course they do but you've got a branch openly selling spares on facebook.
 
Wearside Wanderer II said:
I agree, at the moment that’s not happening, only a matter of time before some club gets their fingers burnt. Only take one wrongun/idiot/pissed up cokey
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in charge of a kid?
personally i think the whole debate around this particular issue is much ado about nothing and very much a whataboutery argument. do you honestly think a steward or official is going to allow a child to be separated and alone from their parents?
Longy said:
The branch thing is a bit harder to handle. They need to guarantee a certain amount to put buses on. It’s an expensive business not filling a bus past break even.

Once branches start to not risk it, that’s when travelling becomes a lot more difficult for a lot of people, whether it’s cost or convenience or enjoyment. Being forced onto say ALS, a dry bus wouldn’t be appealing to lots. Driving, if you can, limits the day if you want a drink, but also causes logistical issues like parking. Train is just very expensive.

Branches provide great service.
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do i get any special treatment because our car is half empty?
imo, the main problems regarding ticketing for away games and all this id check carry on we're having at the minute has it's roots with that facebook site and more so the branches for not being whiter than white.
 
Be Here Now said:
I'm not suggesting that branches don't provide a great service. Course they do but you've got a branch openly selling spares on facebook.
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Thats wrong mind , im sure they could find a pensioner who'd be grateful to do a match or some such if they have a spare . If you cant fill the bus dont get the tickets
 
humbug said:
in charge of a kid?
personally i think the whole debate around this particular issue is much ado about nothing and very much a whataboutery argument. do you honestly think a steward or official is going to allow a child to be separated and alone from their parents?

do i get any special treatment because our car is half empty?
imo, the main problems regarding ticketing for away games and all this id check carry on we're having at the minute has it's roots with that facebook site and more so the branches for not being whiter than white.
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Read it back…
The scenario is a kid is inside on his ticket, the guardian follows and is red flagged. Bairn is now left alone in the stadium.
Much ado about nothing stinks of somebody who has never worked with kids or have much care for their well being.
And the bit you highlighted isn’t the guardian being a wrongun/pissed up and coked, it’s anybody, cos that’s what’s happens with safeguarding, it’s about taking risk out of a situation, potential or not.
I’m here, happy to help you whenever you get confused with the simple role of what it means.
As to your second paragraph I agree completely.
 
Be Here Now said:
I'm not suggesting that branches don't provide a great service. Course they do but you've got a branch openly selling spares on facebook.
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There’ll never be an exact answer to this, but I’d say branches provide more of a service than a detriment to fans. This is from someone who hasn’t travelled much with a branch at all lately. But the Boldon branch served me well back in the day & I couldn’t have sorted half the trios out I did without them.


humbug said:
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do i get any special treatment because our car is half empty?
imo, the main problems regarding ticketing for away games and all this id check carry on we're having at the minute has it's roots with that facebook site and more so the branches for not being whiter than white.
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No & nor should you get special treatment. You don’t provide a service to tens of thousands of people on a yearly basis like branches do.

Trust me when I say that branches reducing in numbers & not existing at all would not be a positive for away fans not only in Sunderland, but around the country.

Personally, train travel is my preference, but I couldn’t afford it.

As mentioned above, there’ll never be a 100% right £ wrong answer to this, but branches provide more good than bad to the SAFC travelling fan base.
 
Wearside Wanderer II said:
Read it back…
The scenario is a kid is inside on his ticket, the guardian follows and is red flagged. Bairn is now left alone in the stadium.
Much ado about nothing stinks of somebody who has never worked with kids or have much care for their well being.
And the bit you highlighted isn’t the guardian being a wrongun/pissed up and coked, it’s anybody, cos that’s what’s happens with safeguarding, it’s about taking risk out of a situation, potential or not.
I’m here, happy to help you whenever you get confused with the simple role of what it means.
As to your second paragraph I agree completely.
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why not stipulate who you're referring to when describing a pissed up wrong'un then? you're making a mountain out of a non existent molehill but carry on.
Longy said:
There’ll never be an exact answer to this, but I’d say branches provide more of a service than a detriment to fans. This is from someone who hasn’t travelled much with a branch at all lately. But the Boldon branch served me well back in the day & I couldn’t have sorted half the trios out I did without them.



No & nor should you get special treatment. You don’t provide a service to tens of thousands of people on a yearly basis like branches do.

Trust me when I say that branches reducing in numbers & not existing at all would not be a positive for away fans not only in Sunderland, but around the country.

Personally, train travel is my preference, but I couldn’t afford it.

As mentioned above, there’ll never be a 100% right £ wrong answer to this, but branches provide more good than bad to the SAFC travelling fan base.
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the branches get a free hit on here by a lot of folk but they're the root of this carry on, as well as the bellends who tout tickets on facebook.
the only criteria for getting a ticket is the loyalty point system, not a mode of transport/membership of a branch/being mates with someone.
 
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gramw said:
If I’m being honest I don’t really think this argument about children being left inside or outside is that big of a deal.

The same thing would happen if a paper tickets barcode got wet and wouldn’t scan, the tickets barcode didn’t print correctly, a physical NFC season card didn’t work for whatever reason etc.
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The difference is, and it's quite a big one, that the club have no control over the scenario you have painted.

The club have created this by their own idiotic actions and are now actively forcing parents and guardians into this safeguarding problem.

Like I've said millions of times, the management in that ticket office are thick as shit, arrogant and incompetent.

They clearly know this ID check is causing confusion and stress for the fans who travel away every week, and they've done fuck all to communicate to us about it.

They can get fucked
 
humbug said:
why not stipulate who you're referring to when describing a pissed up wrong'un then? you're making a mountain out of a non existent molehill but carry on.

the branches get a free hit on here by a lot of folk but they're the root of this carry on, as well as the bellends who tout tickets on facebook.
the only criteria for getting a ticket is the loyalty point system, not a mode of transport/membership of a branch/being mates with someone.
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As I said, as in life you’ll never find a perfect scenario. But if you want football to become a further step to bring more sanitised than it already is, stripping back branch travel to away matches would be a great way to go about it.

I’ll say it again. They provide a way more positive service for many than the detriment they may cause by the ticketing issue being talked about here.
 
Longy said:
As I said, as in life you’ll never find a perfect scenario. But if you want football to become a further step to bring more sanitised than it already is, stripping back branch travel to away matches would be a great way to go about it.

I’ll say it again. They provide a way more positive service for many than the detriment they may cause by the ticketing issue being talked about here.
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Yep, any sunderland fan who lives in Northumberland or county Durham can rely entirely on the branches for home and away travel and would be thier entire link to the club.

It's easy for someone who doesn't use branches to say "fuck the branches" , but at Cheltenham away on that Tuesday night when we got beat, who's organised all those busses lined up bringing fans down from all over the place .

Now we are in the premier league the club are expected to just fuck them off?
 
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