ID checks for away tickets

[BarnesPark]

Absolute rubbish. The people with high points now got them by going to away games* when others couldnt be arsed or "had other things to do". If that means they (those with few or zero points) are now at the back of the queue when it comes to going to high profile Premier League games while we are sitting in the top half of the table, then thats tough shit and i dont know what they expect.

* zero points are allocated for going to away games

 

[scott934]

Absolute rubbish. The people with high points now got them by going to away games when others couldnt be arsed or "had other things to do". If that means they (those with few or zero points) are now at the back of the queue when it comes to going to high profile Premier League games while we are sitting in the top half of the table, then thats tough shit and i dont know what they expect.

You've just called what I said rubbish and then said 90% of the same thing. I never said it's unfair at the minute, but it will become unfair if the days of being able to build points become the norm, which seems almost certain at least for this season and next.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

Absolute rubbish. The people with high points now got them by going to away games when others couldnt be arsed or "had other things to do". If that means they (those with few or zero points) are now at the back of the queue when it comes to going to high profile Premier League games while we are sitting in the top half of the table, then thats tough shit and i dont know what they expect.

Sadly mate, some of the newer SC holders honestly believed that they could just apply for away tickets and get them. When they have realised that isn’t the case, a load of accusations have started to be chucked about (in particular about branches) and they are pretty vocal about finding a new way to distribute away tickets.

As I have just posted, that Facebook page doesn’t help mind.

 

[scott934]

That's the thing for me. Tickets are in short supply now, so those who can get them currently will be very keen to stay in that bracket. Which is fine as long as they're attending, but more than ever it'll be tempting to buy tickets and pass them on to mates (especially as more mates than ever will probably be asking for them!). So it absolutely makes sense for the club to do something to make sure the right people are attending. Their only issue, imo, is making sure they communicate it well and are clear about how they're going to do it so that fans aren't caught out, and they need to make sure people aren't punished for the one or two times something comes up that prevents them attending. The club's only issue should be with people who regularly dish their number out so that they can go to the highest interest games without putting the miles in, and stopping that should be something the vast majority can get behind

Totally agree. I'm in phase 1 nearly every game, and I get asked if I'm using my ticket by at least 2 different mates every single game. If I wanted to I could go to zero games but guarantee myself a ticket for mags away this year and next. I also know people who give a branch access to their account and it's assumed that they can use it every game, unless told otherwise. This keeps their points sky high while going to only a handful of games.

Now that's only anecdotal, but when demand is as high as it is, you're screwing over your fellow fans.

 

[Twisted]

Absolute rubbish. The people with high points now got them by going to away games when others couldnt be arsed or "had other things to do"

Isn't the argument that this isn't the case, and that many people have high points by always buying tickets but then shifting them on to people who will go, yes that helps two people (one to get tickets who couldn't otherwise and the original person keep his or her points high) but it isn't actually as fair as just if you buy a ticket for yourself and go, and if you can't go you don't buy a ticket

 

[abridgetofar]

Brighton will go to really low points next year for starters. The ‘every game’ lot and exiles will go but I don’t see much demand beyond that.

I know lots of people who do 60%-90% of aways and most of us did Saturday to tick off the ground. That last leg to Falmer is a right chew on though and general consensus on the way back seemed to be that it’ll be a low priority trip going forward unless there’s a lot riding on the outcome of the game.

I'm in the same boat, I won't be doing Brighton and Bournemouth next season.

 

[humbug]

That's the thing for me. Tickets are in short supply now, so those who can get them currently will be very keen to stay in that bracket. Which is fine as long as they're attending, but more than ever it'll be tempting to buy tickets and pass them on to mates (especially as more mates than ever will probably be asking for them!). So it absolutely makes sense for the club to do something to make sure the right people are attending. Their only issue, imo, is making sure they communicate it well and are clear about how they're going to do it so that fans aren't caught out, and they need to make sure people aren't punished for the one or two times something comes up that prevents them attending. The club's only issue should be with people who regularly dish their number out so that they can go to the highest interest games without putting the miles in, and stopping that should be something the vast majority can get behind

the club should look at this and also the branches who have a 'reserve list' which is basically what's happening in the highlighted bit.
only read the last few pages of this and it seems there are a lot who regularly become ill or unable to travel at the last minute and even a suggestion tickets should be able to be given away legitimately 2/3 times a season. quite laughable really imo.

 

[Twisted]

That's the thing for me. Tickets are in short supply now, so those who can get them currently will be very keen to stay in that bracket. Which is fine as long as they're attending, but more than ever it'll be tempting to buy tickets and pass them on to mates (especially as more mates than ever will probably be asking for them!). So it absolutely makes sense for the club to do something to make sure the right people are attending. Their only issue, imo, is making sure they communicate it well and are clear about how they're going to do it so that fans aren't caught out, and they need to make sure people aren't punished for the one or two times something comes up that prevents them attending. The club's only issue should be with people who regularly dish their number out so that they can go to the highest interest games without putting the miles in, and stopping that should be something the vast majority can get behind

Totally agree with this - you'd think making it public knowledge your ticket could always be checked would help in theory (most would still probably risk it) but since many are digital only these days (a separate issue we wont discuss) could it not be an alert through your phone to do with the ticket say 8am the morning of the game in ya digital pass 'this ticket will require ID confirmation before entering the stadium' and just need to wave it at a steward along with a bank card, driver licence etc

 

[humbug]

Sadly mate, some of the newer SC holders honestly believed that they could just apply for away tickets and get them. When they have realised that isn’t the case, a load of accusations have started to be chucked about (in particular about branches) and they are pretty vocal about finding a new way to distribute away tickets.

As I have just posted, that Facebook page doesn’t help mind.

i've been critical of the branches because it's warranted and they shouldn't be given a free pass.
btw, i've had a s/t since roker park.

 

[Towers76]

Although it may have been started with the best intentions, that Facebook page is becoming a nightmare and frankly it’s just fuelling the fire around tickets.

Even today you are seeing posts about Leeds tickets - despite the fact they cannot be forwarded.

Agree mate. What I dont understand and I thought about this at Brighton where the tickets were sent to your account to be downloaded, or as you say the Leeds tickets, how does the buyer actually get the ticket??

 

[Hank Scorpio]

the club should look at this and also the branches who have a 'reserve list' which is basically what's happening in the highlighted bit.
only read the last few pages of this and it seems there are a lot who regularly become ill or unable to travel at the last minute and even a suggestion tickets should be able to be given away legitimately 2/3 times a season. quite laughable really imo.

This is not a dig at you mate but there are a lot of myths that seem to be circulating about branches at the moment which understandably is being driven due to the high demand for away tickets.

I’ve seen people on here/social media argue that the branches are awash with tickets when in reality, they aren’t. Of course, some tickets will eventually end up in the hands of branch members who may not have the correct number of points but it will be a very, very, small number of tickets.

Frankly, even if you multiply the numbers of these tickets across all the branches, I’d honestly be shocked if it was a significant volume.

I’ll say this again but the biggest issue is the Facebook pages that are selling the tickets.

Agree mate. What I dont understand and I thought about this at Brighton where the tickets were sent to your account to be downloaded, or as you say the Leeds tickets, how does the buyer actually get the ticket??

The link is just text to the person that buys the ticket mate

 

[humbug]

This is not a dig at you mate but there are a lot of myths that seem to be circulating about branches at the moment which understandably is being driven due to the high demand for away tickets.

I’ve seen people on here/social media argue that the branches are awash with tickets when in reality, they aren’t. Of course, some tickets will eventually end up in the hands of branch members who may not have the correct number of points but it will be a very, very, small number of tickets.

Frankly, even if you multiply the numbers of these tickets across all the branches, I’d honestly be shocked if it was a significant volume.

I’ll say this again but the biggest issue is the Facebook pages that are selling the tickets.

i agree about the facebook page, not that i've ever seen it but regarding the branches it's been admitted by a poster on here there's a reserve list. replicate that throughout all the branches and i think it's more than a few tickets/numbers here and there that are being misused. i was on the receiving end of branch shenanigans years ago when my details weren't being used when i was the one actually going to games.
i have no skin in this game as i've enough points to be comfortably in phase 1, i just get a bee in my bonnet when people cheat the system meaning the more deserving don't get to the game and make up excuses for poor form.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

i agree about the facebook page, not that i've ever seen it but regarding the branches it's been admitted by a poster on here there's a reserve list. replicate that throughout all the branches and i think it's more than a few tickets/numbers here and there that are being misused. i was on the receiving end of branch shenanigans years ago when my details weren't being used when i was the one actually going to games.
i have no skin in this game as i've enough points to be comfortably in phase 1, i just get a bee in my bonnet when people cheat the system meaning the more deserving don't get to the game and make up excuses for poor form.

I think we all agree that those taking the piss need to be dealt with mate. I believe the club also knows there is an issue - particularly with social media selling - that needs sorting.

It’s important though that the club don’t just jump into anything. First step is to tackle the social media stuff imo

 

[Towers76]

I could be wrong but I remain convinced that the vast majority (90%+) of people buy tickets to use themselves, you don't hear about these tickets, you only hear about those that get passed on with the points holder having no intention of ever going to the match but as I said on a stream last night how many actually do that? I think the same applies to branches - most members who apply will actually go and I'd have no problem with last minute emergencies meaning the Branch has to find a replacement. What I hope doesn't happen is if a branch has say 40 members in phase 1 then 40 tickets are applied for even though the branch knows that only 30 intend to go and the other ten are passed on. Anyway, biggest issue for me is that Facebook page plus are we auditing the tickets handed out to Corporate/Players and staff?

The link is just text to the person that buys the ticket mate

Good point and for Leeds?

 

[tunstallhill]

plus are we auditing the tickets handed out to Corporate/Players and staff?

If course we aren't. Coorperates, club staff and players friends and families aren't expected to follow the same rules as the plebs.

That's throughout society, not just with football tickets

 

[Barney Mackem 13]

It's always been possible to build your points in the past, aye you maybe had to go to less attractive games before you could go to Boro, Leeds etc. But now it's impossible to build points, which if it stays that way they will have to try to change something.

It wont stay like that though mate - at the minute it is all a novelty and with the added bonus of us doing really well in the league.

Demand will lessen, as interest weans off, which it will in time, we are not in the fortunate position to have owners with a "Bottom-less" pit of money so we wont be challenging for the league any time soon..... so mid-table mediocracy beacons, which is fine by me, but for a lot, once you have done the Old Traffords, Anfields once it does become a bit boring.

I could be wrong but I remain convinced that the vast majority (90%+) of people buy tickets to use themselves, you don't hear about these tickets, you only hear about those that get passed on with the points holder having no intention of ever going to the match but as I said on a stream last night how many actually do that? I think the same applies to branches - most members who apply will actually go and I'd have no problem with last minute emergencies meaning the Branch has to find a replacement. What I hope doesn't happen is if a branch has say 40 members in phase 1 then 40 tickets are applied for even though the branch knows that only 30 intend to go and the other ten are passed on. Anyway, biggest issue for me is that Facebook page plus are we auditing the tickets handed out to Corporate/Players and staff?

Good point and for Leeds?

I also do not think there are as many passing on tickets as most on here will have us believe, yes it goes on, but is not as widespread as the "Closed shop gang" say. Why put the hard miles in in the lower leagues just to think - Oh I tell you what - I will now just sack off Liverpool and Man City and pass my ticket on......

 

[abridgetofar]

Although it may have been started with the best intentions, that Facebook page is becoming a nightmare and frankly it’s just fuelling the fire around tickets.

Even today you are seeing posts about Leeds tickets - despite the fact they cannot be forwarded.

Ticket Office should target the ' fans " selling on their away tickets on Scafton's Facebook page for ID checks

 

[BarnesPark]

Why put the hard miles in the lower leagues just to think - Oh I tell you what - I will now just sack off Liverpool and Man City and pass my ticket on......

Not a single person has suggested this scenario.

As has been said many times on here, “putting in miles” and obtaining BCPs are in no way linked.

What is linked is purchasing tickets and receiving BCPs- I have certainly “put the miles in” on behalf of others in my time.

With regards to Man City and Liverpool, you either misunderstand or are pretending not to understand how this works.

The games that the Harvesters don’t attend tend to be the less glamorous games or those with longer journeys or at difficult times- witness how many tickets were openly available for Brighton at the weekend. Purchasing tickets for these games and then passing them on/ selling them is done IN ORDER to be able to attend the glamorous games like Liverpool and Man City.

I genuinely thought that a tiny percentage of tickets were passed on but having read this thread coupled with the outrage from people being asked to “drag” their driving licence about with them leads me to believe the issue is probably far bigger than anyone thinks.

 

[Barney Mackem 13]

Not a single person has suggested this scenario.

As has been said many times on here, “putting in miles” and obtaining BCPs are in no way linked.

What is linked is purchasing tickets and receiving BCPs- I have certainly “put the miles in” on behalf of others in my time.

With regards to Man City and Liverpool, you either misunderstand or are pretending not to understand how this works.

The games that the Harvesters don’t attend tend to be the less glamorous games or those with longer journeys or at difficult times- witness how many tickets were openly available for Brighton at the weekend. Purchasing tickets for these games and then passing them on/ selling them is done IN ORDER to be able to attend the glamorous games like Liverpool and Man City.

I genuinely thought that a tiny percentage of tickets were passed on but having read this thread coupled with the outrage from people being asked to “drag” their driving licence about with them leads me to believe the issue is probably far bigger than anyone thinks.

Oh right. Cool story bruh.
Dont forget the prefix of - In mt opinion-
Unfortunately I haven't got time read all that before work.

Have a great day

 

[scott934]

It wont stay like that though mate - at the minute it is all a novelty and with the added bonus of us doing really well in the league.

Demand will lessen, as interest weans off, which it will in time, we are not in the fortunate position to have owners with a "Bottom-less" pit of money so we wont be challenging for the league any time soon..... so mid-table mediocracy beacons, which is fine by me, but for a lot, once you have done the Old Traffords, Anfields once it does become a bit boring.

This would be best case scenario, because our system is the fairest that I've seen and I wouldn't want it to have to change. As I've always said a "closed shop" this season is absolutely fair enough.