hank williams
Striker
That’s not FM that’s football fantasyWhat sort of team are Madrid going to have man if he goes there?
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haaland all time scorer
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Rammstein
Midfield
For those of us who can remember that football existed before 1992, can I say " I genuinely do not give a $hit "
Jimmy Greaves has the #1 spot as the all time top flight goal scorer and no one will ever get near it.
Mary Poppins is at #5, good but no prize winner.
nelford_safc
Striker
He'll be gone long before he breaks it. That's the problem, football has changed a lot since Shearer bagged his last goal. Players like that don't stay in the PL for long enough to beat it because anyone good enough to beat it has RM, Barcelona or the Saudi league calling.
Dave Hosselhaff
Winger
It hasn't been called the Premiership for about 20 years
League Wan
Winger
No one will stay that long I don't think
I would go further. If City are found guilty, I would banish them to the Championship with a proviso that they are not allowed promotion for a couple of seasons.
How about our boy, Dave Halliday.
Flea Market Trader
Striker
Champions league and la liga double winners I reckon, however Barca seem like they are getting back on track again.What sort of team are Madrid going to have man if he goes there?
Vinicus Haaland M’Bappe Endrick Rodrygo
Shambo
Striker
7 x 30 + 72 still leaves him 75 short
connolly_31
Winger
I misread your post apologies. Thought the target was 286 which it clearly isn’t. Either which way, but just can’t see him sticking around long enough to get near to shearer never mind Greaves
Lovemore
Midfield
It’s a strange thing that the English league is consistently considered the strongest in the world, yet the truly elite players almost always end up at Madrid or Barcelona.
Gennaro Savastano
Midfield
Should beat it easily if he stays at City but I think he'll fancy Real Madrid later in his career.
Perryqhill
Striker
No. He'll be at Madrid in a couple of years. He won't stay long enough.
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Winger
Long post so I've hoyed in it a spoiler, feel free to read it or just the bit below 
There's more than just than goals per game in previous 'eras' to consider.
More league games per season
No Subs until 1965/66 with 1 sub for injury and then 1 tactical sub from 1967/68 (
Less minutes per appearance now due to subs
Shite defenders and keepers, yet same size goals
Many international players making the player pool bigger with fewer plodders in the league
To compare one of the best goalscorers of the 60s with someone whose one of the best now just can't be done. You just have to appreciate that both were the best of their time and Greavsie did it for longer and is quitre simply one of the best of all time even if his record is somehow broken one day if football ends up changing again.
When Greaves started playing there were a load more goals per game and in 1962 for example it was 3.73 GPG with an average of 3.29 GPG from 1957-71. Over a 380 game season that peak would be over 1,400 goals and the average would be just over 1,250 goals. Since the PL started it's been between 2.45 and 2.83 which is 931 goals to 1,072 goals so a lot less than the 1,250 and 1,400. During Kane's period it's an average 2.74 GPG at around 1,041 goals a season so 25% less goals or 209 less goals.
That doesn't mean Kane has scored 25% less goals as forwards score more goals than defenders, as do the top teams so in theory more of those 209 extra goals would go to forwards of top teams. Out of interest I've checked to see what percentage of goals scored by a player of the total of the season goals. Ignoring his Norwich season of just 3 games, Kane has scored 1.95% of all league goals scored and ignoring Greaves 2 poor final seasons at West Ham, it's 1.87% of goals scored.
Or another way to look at it, Kane scores every 51st goal in the PL and Greaves was every 54th goal in the old 1st Division. Overall from Shearer's first decent season in 1991/92 he got 1.74% and every 57th goal.
At the minute Haaland has scored 2.96% of all PL goals since 2022/23 (2 seasons and 4 games) which is 72 of the 2,472 PL goals. As above, Kane got 1.95% and Greavsie got 1.87% even ignoring his 2 seasons at West Ham. Haaland is scoring every 35 goal in the PL, compared to Kane who was every 51st goal and Greavsie 54th and Shearer 57th. Haaland's 2.96% even includes the outlier last season as a usual season would have meant over 3% of goals or nearer every 30 goals would be scored by Haaland. It's not as if he filled his boots against those 3 relegated teams as he scored 4 goals in the 6 games against them so it was other teams having a field day.
Haaland has just turned 24 and he has 286 goals in 337 games in his career. Greavsie had 287 goals in 349 games at the end of the season he was 24. It just shows how good Haaland is in this era if he can compare to one of the best even like for like with just goals and appearances before you factor in other things.
Though one thing to note is the subs thing that wasn't around in Greavsie's era. Haaland's minutes per game isn't in the 80 mins range as he was regularly subbed in the past, even at Man City, making his goals per min ratio even better. I just totted up his minutes on Transfermarkt (
For the stat fans, Haaland has scored 72 PL goals in 70 games with 5,695 mins on the pitch, or a goal every 79 mins with 81 mins per game. His Champions League record is better as he's scored 41 goals in 39 games with 3,088 mins on the pitch, or a goal every 75 mins with 79 mins per game. His Norway career is 32 goals in 35 games of 2,815 mins, or a goal every 88 mins with 81 mins per game.
Imagine if this was reversed and the GPG was higher now so that Shearer had more PL goals than Greavsie, would that change things?
No doubt some will dismiss this post as it's turned into another long waffle but long story short, to compare the record top flight goals is just comparing 2 numbers which are just like comparing apples and oranges. If you look deeper then you can appreciate the feats of both and that at this moment in time Haaland is another level but if you've watched him for long enough, pre Man City, then you can appreciate his work rate, movement, vision, agility etc being part of the reason why.
Aye, it's as simple as that and the most obvious is the fact that there were more goals per game in previous years and it dropped off late 60s at the end of Greavsie's era. Below is the history of goals per game and the dark bit from 1958 to 1969 is Greavsie's era with the lighter grey bit his last 2 seasons with West Ham when he scored just 13 goals in 38 games. It's been more stable since mid 1970s with around 2.5 to 2.8 goals per game but it was higher for most of Greavsie's peak seasons. Though last season was an outlier as there were 3.28 goals per game, possibly helped due to Sheff Utd, Luton and Burnley conceding loads as this season is at 2.68.
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There's more than just than goals per game in previous 'eras' to consider.
More league games per season
No Subs until 1965/66 with 1 sub for injury and then 1 tactical sub from 1967/68 (
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), meaning attacking teams could be up against 10 or less players or tiring defendersLess minutes per appearance now due to subs
Shite defenders and keepers, yet same size goals
Many international players making the player pool bigger with fewer plodders in the league
To compare one of the best goalscorers of the 60s with someone whose one of the best now just can't be done. You just have to appreciate that both were the best of their time and Greavsie did it for longer and is quitre simply one of the best of all time even if his record is somehow broken one day if football ends up changing again.
Greavsie is always brought up and rightly so but for many people today it's easier to relate to the PL record as a comparison. People can't dismiss that it was a different game back then if you look more into it. I've waffled on about it plenty in the past to try to compare the 2 but even that is a load of shite. You just have to realise that at the time, Greavsie was a machine, just as Haaland is now but the record top flight goal numbers alone simply can't be compared as like for like comparison between the 2 players. This is something I wrote in the Kane thread.
When Greaves started playing there were a load more goals per game and in 1962 for example it was 3.73 GPG with an average of 3.29 GPG from 1957-71. Over a 380 game season that peak would be over 1,400 goals and the average would be just over 1,250 goals. Since the PL started it's been between 2.45 and 2.83 which is 931 goals to 1,072 goals so a lot less than the 1,250 and 1,400. During Kane's period it's an average 2.74 GPG at around 1,041 goals a season so 25% less goals or 209 less goals.
That doesn't mean Kane has scored 25% less goals as forwards score more goals than defenders, as do the top teams so in theory more of those 209 extra goals would go to forwards of top teams. Out of interest I've checked to see what percentage of goals scored by a player of the total of the season goals. Ignoring his Norwich season of just 3 games, Kane has scored 1.95% of all league goals scored and ignoring Greaves 2 poor final seasons at West Ham, it's 1.87% of goals scored.
Or another way to look at it, Kane scores every 51st goal in the PL and Greaves was every 54th goal in the old 1st Division. Overall from Shearer's first decent season in 1991/92 he got 1.74% and every 57th goal.
At the minute Haaland has scored 2.96% of all PL goals since 2022/23 (2 seasons and 4 games) which is 72 of the 2,472 PL goals. As above, Kane got 1.95% and Greavsie got 1.87% even ignoring his 2 seasons at West Ham. Haaland is scoring every 35 goal in the PL, compared to Kane who was every 51st goal and Greavsie 54th and Shearer 57th. Haaland's 2.96% even includes the outlier last season as a usual season would have meant over 3% of goals or nearer every 30 goals would be scored by Haaland. It's not as if he filled his boots against those 3 relegated teams as he scored 4 goals in the 6 games against them so it was other teams having a field day.
Haaland has just turned 24 and he has 286 goals in 337 games in his career. Greavsie had 287 goals in 349 games at the end of the season he was 24. It just shows how good Haaland is in this era if he can compare to one of the best even like for like with just goals and appearances before you factor in other things.
Though one thing to note is the subs thing that wasn't around in Greavsie's era. Haaland's minutes per game isn't in the 80 mins range as he was regularly subbed in the past, even at Man City, making his goals per min ratio even better. I just totted up his minutes on Transfermarkt (
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) and in his domestic career, he's made 238 appearances scoring 187 goals and played a total 16,215 minutes. Simple calculations says that's just 68.1 minutes per appearance and a goal every 86.7 minutes he's on the pitch. Greavsie will have got more than 68.1 mins per appearance up to the age 24 as he will have played the full 90s unless he was injured as there was no subs bench back then for him to come on later in the game or be subbed off.For the stat fans, Haaland has scored 72 PL goals in 70 games with 5,695 mins on the pitch, or a goal every 79 mins with 81 mins per game. His Champions League record is better as he's scored 41 goals in 39 games with 3,088 mins on the pitch, or a goal every 75 mins with 79 mins per game. His Norway career is 32 goals in 35 games of 2,815 mins, or a goal every 88 mins with 81 mins per game.
Imagine if this was reversed and the GPG was higher now so that Shearer had more PL goals than Greavsie, would that change things?
No doubt some will dismiss this post as it's turned into another long waffle but long story short, to compare the record top flight goals is just comparing 2 numbers which are just like comparing apples and oranges. If you look deeper then you can appreciate the feats of both and that at this moment in time Haaland is another level but if you've watched him for long enough, pre Man City, then you can appreciate his work rate, movement, vision, agility etc being part of the reason why.
