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Grant Ward Blackpool player abused on Instagram

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TravellingMackem said:
There’s absolutely no evidence this is linked to a Sunderland fan
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Why are the club making a statement then? Every other team who has played them hasn’t made one.

I hope it’s not but I think we all kinda know where the signs are pointing.
TravellingMackem said:
Abuse is abuse mate, just as bad regardless.

And your statement is not correct. I am white have been racially abused.
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I didn’t realise you were an athlete my apologies, stop moving the goal posts man
 
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eddtheduck said:
Good points.

I still think these media companies could do a lot more to identify those blatantly breaking the law.

When you think about it, “Social Media” is a bit contradictory. Social, needing company, being inclusive but then posts are done by everyone behind the protection of anonymity.

I accept that contacts and relationships do build but you never see someone posting abuse then declaring to all and sundry who they are and their reasons for doing so.

A minefield.
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you've also got to factor in what works as ID in Britain, might not work in Argentina and vice versa. Then you've got the issue of what is deemed as acceptable in Argentina, isn't here. Look at the (fairly) recent meltdown because Cavani called his mate "negro". Term of endearment to him and everyone he knows (including the person he was talking to) but he's in Britain and folk just wouldn't accept his reasons for using the word. How can Facebook possibly know where to draw the line when every country has various levels of acceptance?

There's no easy answer. The authorities can't even really respond because loads of these accounts are based abroad (or so it would appear). Glen Kamara and Kemar Roofe recently had to go through daily abuse but all the accounts were Czech so Police Scotland couldn't rock up and lift them all and the Czech police couldn't care less.

I personally think (controversially perhaps?) that the best answer is to ignore. Do not draw attention, do not share, don't give them the time of day, delete, block. The vast majority wouldn't say boo to a goose, they're online attention seekers using shock tactics to get the attention of the target. Starve them off what they want.
 
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Sidewinder2 said:
Why are the club making a statement then? Every other team who has played them hasn’t made one.

I hope it’s not but I think we all kinda know where the signs are pointing.


I didn’t realise you were an athlete my apologies, stop moving the goal posts man
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Because we’ve just played them and there’s a chance it could be related. But as yet there is no evidence there is a connection.

How is it moving the goalposts? Is it not possible for a black man to racially abuse Vardy for instance?
Doberman said:
you've also got to factor in what works as ID in Britain, might not work in Argentina and vice versa. Then you've got the issue of what is deemed as acceptable in Argentina, isn't here. Look at the (fairly) recent meltdown because Cavani called his mate "negro". Term of endearment to him and everyone he knows (including the person he was talking to) but he's in Britain and folk just wouldn't accept his reasons for using the word. How can Facebook possibly know where to draw the line when every country has various levels of acceptance?

There's no easy answer. The authorities can't even really respond because loads of these accounts are based abroad (or so it would appear). Glen Kamara and Kemar Roofe recently had to go through daily abuse but all the accounts were Czech so Police Scotland couldn't rock up and lift them all and the Czech police couldn't care less.

I personally think (controversially perhaps?) that the best answer is to ignore. Do not draw attention, do not share, don't give them the time of day, delete, block. The vast majority wouldn't say boo to a goose, they're online attention seekers using shock tactics to get the attention of the target. Starve them off what they want.
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Couldn’t agree more. Don’t react, don’t reply at all just block and report and move on. They won’t do it if they don’t get the reaction. Someone’s probably now bragging to their mates that they did something that’s got them on the front page of sky sports and the bbc websites
 
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Doberman said:
you've also got to factor in what works as ID in Britain, might not work in Argentina and vice versa. Then you've got the issue of what is deemed as acceptable in Argentina, isn't here. Look at the (fairly) recent meltdown because Cavani called his mate "negro". Term of endearment to him and everyone he knows (including the person he was talking to) but he's in Britain and folk just wouldn't accept his reasons for using the word. How can Facebook possibly know where to draw the line when every country has various levels of acceptance?

There's no easy answer. The authorities can't even really respond because loads of these accounts are based abroad (or so it would appear). Glen Kamara and Kemar Roofe recently had to go through daily abuse but all the accounts were Czech so Police Scotland couldn't rock up and lift them all and the Czech police couldn't care less.

I personally think (controversially perhaps?) that the best answer is to ignore. Do not draw attention, do not share, don't give them the time of day, delete, block. The vast majority wouldn't say boo to a goose, they're online attention seekers using shock tactics to get the attention of the target. Starve them off what they want.
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Great last paragraph.
 
TravellingMackem said:
Because we’ve just played them and there’s a chance it could be related. But as yet there is no evidence there is a connection.

How is it moving the goalposts? Is it not possible for a black man to racially abuse Vardy for instance?
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Because your original post said

It isn’t just black athletes, contrary to what Sky will have you believe. If you go on Twitter or Instagram most Saturdays it isn’t hard to find all kinds of abuse directed at players of all creeds and colours, and even genders.

Now suddenly it’s about you being racially abused, I’m not doubting for one minute you have been but you have taken my answer to this specific point and twisted it to something I wasn’t answering.
 
chunkylover53 said:
Had a look at the bloke who sent it, there is nothing on his profile to imply he’s a Sunderland fan

regardless, it’s an utter disgrace. Some people are real c****
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Instagram and twitter seems to be full of these types. saddos sat online all day dishing out abuse. There also seems to be loads from abroad doing it too, especially in premier league games.
 
Sidewinder2 said:
f***ing grow up man there’s been at least two high profile occasions involving SAFC fans, some people’s blindness is just as ignorant as the issue.
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sidewind yer neck in till its proven as one of us, to many snowflakes prepared to jump on any racist band-waggon.
I personally would slap the person if he were a makem BUT as before no proof yet
 
eddtheduck said:
Great last paragraph.
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i genuinely think if we decided tomorrow that racism isn't going to get folk raging, sharing posts etc and instead we're going to focus on calling people fat then these muppets (or the majority) would stop with the racism and move onto calling all the players fat instead.

Just something I've thought for a while. Could be miles off it.
 
Doberman said:
you've also got to factor in what works as ID in Britain, might not work in Argentina and vice versa. Then you've got the issue of what is deemed as acceptable in Argentina, isn't here. Look at the (fairly) recent meltdown because Cavani called his mate "negro". Term of endearment to him and everyone he knows (including the person he was talking to) but he's in Britain and folk just wouldn't accept his reasons for using the word. How can Facebook possibly know where to draw the line when every country has various levels of acceptance?

There's no easy answer. The authorities can't even really respond because loads of these accounts are based abroad (or so it would appear). Glen Kamara and Kemar Roofe recently had to go through daily abuse but all the accounts were Czech so Police Scotland couldn't rock up and lift them all and the Czech police couldn't care less.

I personally think (controversially perhaps?) that the best answer is to ignore. Do not draw attention, do not share, don't give them the time of day, delete, block. The vast majority wouldn't say boo to a goose, they're online attention seekers using shock tactics to get the attention of the target. Starve them off what they want.
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I remember when I had copied Xbox games and Microsoft would ban my console.

Surely a way that Apple, Samsung etc could stop the person being racists downloading their app/website
 
Whoever it was is a numpty ,probably some kid trying trying for a bit notoriety amongst his fellow numpties...

Still don't think Blackpool should have been implying it was one of ours if it turns out it isnt.
 
Sidewinder2 said:
Because your original post said

It isn’t just black athletes, contrary to what Sky will have you believe. If you go on Twitter or Instagram most Saturdays it isn’t hard to find all kinds of abuse directed at players of all creeds and colours, and even genders.

Now suddenly it’s about you being racially abused, I’m not doubting for one minute you have been but you have taken my answer to this specific point and twisted it to something I wasn’t answering.
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You specifically stated that only black people can be racially abused. That is categorically incorrect and absolute bullshit. You are now trying to talk yourself out of a hole
 
Upthere said:
I remember when I had copied Xbox games and Microsoft would ban my console.

Surely a way that Apple, Samsung etc could stop the person being racists downloading their app/website
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copying xbox games is an absolute, you're either copying them or not.

Using the logic that racism is absolute, ban them all, Cavani would have lost his account for using "negro" because it's not acceptable in Britain.

It's not that straight forward.
 
L1lyBrown said:
Social media firms get away with murder. They are facilitating this crime and should be punished accordingly as would a director of any limited company
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Although I can sympathise in a way as to why social media accounts in certain country's have to stay anonymous due to political considerations. This however, is not my problem and not an issue in my country. It is used wrongly by the likes of Steve Zucherburg (think that's his name), to not police his own system whilst maximising advertising revenue and making obscene profits for which he pays very little tax in real terms
Government legislation needs to be brought in to stop these internet shit heads from spewing their poison on society and until it is, then we can only ever have endless limited campaigns and posts like this as a response sadly.
 
TravellingMackem said:
You specifically stated that only black people can be racially abused. That is categorically incorrect and absolute bullshit. You are now trying to talk yourself out of a hole
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Er I specifically didn’t.

“It’s not just black athletes who get abuse but it is black athletes who get racist abuse”.

I await you showing me all the recent cases of white athletes reporting racist abuse.

Read posts before you make shit up man.
 
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Doberman said:
I personally think (controversially perhaps?) that the best answer is to ignore. Do not draw attention, do not share, don't give them the time of day, delete, block. The vast majority wouldn't say boo to a goose, they're online attention seekers using shock tactics to get the attention of the target. Starve them off what they want.
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I think you may be right, but that could also be seen as sweeping it under the rug, or not defending the abused. So it'd have to be agreed upon as a strategy to block and ignore.
 
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